what would be "proof" to "you"

Angelwings · Joined: 11 Jan 2008 Posts: 120

what would be enough proof "to you" to become a believer in the paranormal ?

scientific proof or personal experience ?

kiba_luv_faye24 · Joined: 20 Oct 2006 Posts: 23

hmmm... personal experience would be enough... I don't need proof to prove that it's there justa as long as I know it's there...
hmmm... you got that?
I don't think I did

Solstice Moon · Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 272 Location: Horsham, W Sussex

For me personally, proof was seeing something that couldn't be explained as anything else.

Proof for the masses, in my opinion, would have to take the form of science proving that not only could ghosts exist, but that they must

little miss zombie · Joined: 16 Oct 2008 Posts: 16 Location: Cornwall

Every time when i have experienced something,paranormal, proof that it isnt just me seeing it, feeling it etc, is when someone not a part of the family confirms the same experiences at the same time. I cant help rationalising, but maybe this is my own safety switch that kicks in and stops me getting frightened witless by coming up with the most maddest explanations, madder than the experience sometimes,lol.

flossy · Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject:

yip that would be me too Laughing

mrx3010 · Joined: 18 Nov 2006 Posts: 579

I don think you can ever have enough proof for a hard core skeptic no matter what you have recorded , or they them selves may experience. Most people live with a belief that there world is black and white and ghosts and the paranormal in general threaten that "reality". Even if they witness something they will still likely deny it to others and rationalize it away to themselves.

little miss zombie · Joined: 16 Oct 2008 Posts: 16 Location: Cornwall

I get worried that i am imagining it, especially when it's one off occurences. Sometimes inside i know what i've seen, heard etc, but sometimes, especially with unpleasant things, i have to rationalize or i would be a petrified mess, :)

I am half and half. i accept ghosts etc are around us, but i also like to keep a logical head too. Hardened skeptics drive me mad, because they will come up with things to just poo-poo anything.

When you are living with ghosts etc, i think it is normal to rationalise, but at some point(s) i think there comes a point where you can't brush things aside when things are happening around you regularly, especially

Paraffin · Joined: 25 Nov 2008 Posts: 14 Location: North Yorkshire

"What would be proof?"

Good question. I am a sceptic and not really looking for proof. I love ghost stories and ghost pictures and have experienced strange events. While these events could be taken as evidence of ghosts, they always have some other more mundane explanation. Dull as it may be, I tend to go with the mundane. If I saw an apparition walk through a wall, though, I'd have to give my scepticism second thoughts.

flossy · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:12 pm Post subject:

seeing is believing Wink

YB · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:28 pm Post subject:

Don't need proof, I believe Mr. Green

damaralenoire · Joined: 19 Oct 2008 Posts: 334 Location: South Wales UK

Seeing is believeing
But Believing is a journey

But just cos you are not seeing it, doesn't mean it is not happening
Science does not say the paranormal does NOT exist
Science says it does
Just because there is a scientific reason behond something, that can still prove ghosts, spirits or other activities are around us.

flossy · Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:08 pm Post subject:

i totally agree with you pam, but for some they dont or wont believe unless they see or expeiriense some thing for them selves Confused

Paraffin · Joined: 25 Nov 2008 Posts: 14 Location: North Yorkshire

I thought this was a live-and-let-live forum. Clearly not.

Damara, it always amuses me when true believers turn to science for support when arguing with a sceptic, yet have no hesitation in rejecting science that disagrees with them. No science supports the existence of ghosts or spirits. Not Quantum Theory or anything else.

Flossy and YB, what criteria do you use for deciding what to believe and what to reject? There must be some method. If not it would just be random choice.

YB · Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:56 pm Post subject:

Personal experience backed by proof. Here is one story:

My Brother in Laws wife had an old farm given to her. The house was in deplorable condition and was being remodeled. The wife and I were camping out there and staying in the garage across from the back of the house.

While touring the house I felt a "presence" in the kitchen area and and even stronger one in the hall off the kitchen. While in the garage relaxing I told the wife I felt we were being watched from the kitchen window.

At night I felt someone was walking around outside but no one was there.
The next day I left the wife and drove to the store. Upon returning she told me she saw a old man in the kitchen window that asked her what she was doing here.
She replied that we were just staying there camping.

Later we were visiting her brother and we relayed what happen to the sister in law.
Found out to our amazement that she had the same feelings that the place was haunted. Upon swapping details it was found that her uncle had died in the hall where I felt the strong presence.

She asked my wife to describe what the spirit looked like and when she did was told that it was the exact description of the uncle who had died there.

I can 'sense' them at times, the wife can see them at times in her minds eye. Guess I am "ghost blind"

mrx3010 · Joined: 18 Nov 2006 Posts: 579

It always amazes me how sceptics who tend to have zero first hand knowledge in the field like to tell serious researchers how to interpret there results. The truth of the matter is unless you experience something you just wont know.