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D B Sweeney
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 Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:24 am Post subject: Can places replay past events |
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Can buildings and places store and replay past events or resonate
feelings, sounds or smells from the past?
What are your experiences? Do you think a place can store and replay the events it witnessed in the past?
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Inn Spectre
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| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Can places replay past events |
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I believe that visual and other phenomena representing past events, are replayed periodically at the exact location that they occurred originally. I believe that this can occur even when the character of the location has changed beyond recognition, although I don't rule-out the possibility that there may need to remain in place some physical item or artefact related to the original event.
I have no explanation for how this replaying occurs and it is unlikely that it will be researched before it can be proved to happen, which is what I am currently devoted to attempting. |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:29 am Post subject: Re: Can places replay past events |
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| Inn Spectre wrote: | I believe that visual and other phenomena representing past events, are replayed periodically at the exact location that they occurred originally. I believe that this can occur even when the character of the location has changed beyond recognition, although I don't rule-out the possibility that there may need to remain in place some physical item or artefact related to the original event.
I have no explanation for how this replaying occurs and it is unlikely that it will be researched before it can be proved to happen, which is what I am currently devoted to attempting. |
Are there any locations where you think this replaying of past events is evident Inn Spectre? and do you think this is just a recording/playback with no real-time interaction or something more complex is at work?.
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bitterbuck1
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:24 am Post subject: |
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What of battlefields?
There are many people who have documented unusual sights and sounds in these types of arenas.
Not forgetting photographs of these areas a well.
Here in the states we have quite a few battlefield locations that are considered "haunted" or "replaying the past".
With sounds of gun and cannon fire to the smell of gun powder.
Though not experiencing anything like this as of to date,
I will still place my vote as a "yes".
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Inn Spectre
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: Can places replay past events |
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Are there any locations where you think this replaying of past events is evident Inn Spectre? and do you think this is just a recording/playback with no real-time interaction or something more complex is at work? |
Reports of interaction are comparatively rare, however I suspect that at the majority of locations where visual sightings are reported, a projection of past events is being witnessed.
I have never knowingly witnessed anything as described above, however I am currently poised to investigate a both promising and notorious public site at which what I believe to be the annual window for sightings has only just opened. It's a very tricky location requiring much ingenuity if I say so myself, which is why I suspect many others either have failed or been put off altogether.
If I succeed you'll hear about it and not via this medium. |
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bitterbuck1
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Inn, you do have my and I am sure others interest peaked.
I do hope you are willing to share your experience on this subject you are about t0 conduct  |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 1:43 am Post subject: |
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| bitterbuck1 wrote: | What of battlefields?
There are many people who have documented unusual sights and sounds in these types of arenas.
Not forgetting photographs of these areas a well.
Here in the states we have quite a few battlefield locations that are considered "haunted" or "replaying the past".
With sounds of gun and cannon fire to the smell of gun powder.
Though not experiencing anything like this as of to date,
I will still place my vote as a "yes".
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By documented do you mean they've seen and heard things Bitter?.
The photographs I've seen from the battlefields I think you're referring to are overwhelmingly pictures of orbs and artifacts of flash illumination - unless you can post something that's obviously not an orb or a wisp of flash illuminated smoke/breath/mist/hair/camera strap/finger?.
I fully understand and believe that people are seeing and hearing things that they can't explain at these sites. There is even the (all be it extremely unlikely) possibility that they are actually witnessing genuine paranormal activity but the mistake we so easily fall into is looking at the sighting not the person seeing it or the myriad (non paranormal) explanations that may account for 'their experience'.
And of course there are going to be many many documented (often anecdotal) accounts of sights and sounds that seem to indicate a replaying of old Civil War battles and encounters. These battlefields are very popular with people for different reasons both historical and paranormal - almost everyone who visits them will be aware of their history. The ones looking for the ghost of Johnny Reb will be in a heightened sense of expectancy and more prone to errors of perception - dust captured on camera WILL be spirit orbs. The local dude who likes to dress up as a Union Soldier and wander the battlefield at dusk WILL be a ghost. The lingering smell of gunpowder from the previous afternoons re-enactment WILL be the ghostly residue of a battle that finished well over a hundred years ago not a few hours ago.
These are all factors that have to be considered, investigated and analysed before we even begin to think about dead men walking - not just in the Civil War battlegrounds of the US but in any location that has a reputation for ghosts and replaying past events.
It's a fascinating aspect of the paranormal (and one that I've researched extensively) and certainly worthy of discussion.
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:34 am Post subject: Re: Can places replay past events |
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| Inn Spectre wrote: | | Quote: |
Are there any locations where you think this replaying of past events is evident Inn Spectre? and do you think this is just a recording/playback with no real-time interaction or something more complex is at work? |
Reports of interaction are comparatively rare, however I suspect that at the majority of locations where visual sightings are reported, a projection of past events is being witnessed.
I have never knowingly witnessed anything as described above, however I am currently poised to investigate a both promising and notorious public site at which what I believe to be the annual window for sightings has only just opened. It's a very tricky location requiring much ingenuity if I say so myself, which is why I suspect many others either have failed or been put off altogether.
If I succeed you'll hear about it and not via this medium. |
I suspect that at the majority of locations where visual sightings are reported, a projection of past events is being witnessed. - INN SPECTRE
Without knowing the exact details of the sightings, the individuals concerned or the conditions extant at the time you cannot say with any certainty that they were witnessing a replay of past events. You're basing your conclusion on anecdotes and heresay and there is nothing other than personal testimony to support the contention that past events are somehow being replayed and picked up by individuals in the present.
On a lighter note...
I'm intrigued by this location you're hoping to investimagate Inn Spectre. Can you feed us some more crumbs of fact?
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Inn Spectre
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: Can places replay past events |
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| D B Sweeney wrote: |
I suspect that at the majority of locations where visual sightings are reported, a projection of past events is being witnessed. - INN SPECTRE
Without knowing the exact details of the sightings, the individuals concerned or the conditions extant at the time you cannot say with any certainty that they were witnessing a replay of past events. You're basing your conclusion on anecdotes and heresay and there is nothing other than personal testimony to support the contention that past events are somehow being replayed and picked up by individuals in the present. |
Accurately-recorded first-hand testimonies are not hearsay, that's something which the law acknowledges. I am not going to re-open the debate about the influences on peoples' interpretation of what they see. When multiple testimonies tally in detail and they describe the clear appearance of for instance a person or vehicle that clearly belongs in the past, and that the apparition appears in a location inconsistent with the present day environment, commonly a ground/floor level above or below that of the present day, but at the same time consistent with a building or causeway known to have existed in the past, I think it becomes perfectly reasonable to infer that a past event is being projected.
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On a lighter note...
I'm intrigued by this location you're hoping to investimagate Inn Spectre. Can you feed us some more crumbs of fact? |
It's a situation in which security would be compromised if I were even to explain why I can't explain. If I succeed not only will the world know, but there will be nothing to prevent others repeating the exercise and validating the result. |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 1:31 am Post subject: Re: Can places replay past events |
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| Inn Spectre wrote: | | D B Sweeney wrote: |
I suspect that at the majority of locations where visual sightings are reported, a projection of past events is being witnessed. - INN SPECTRE
Without knowing the exact details of the sightings, the individuals concerned or the conditions extant at the time you cannot say with any certainty that they were witnessing a replay of past events. You're basing your conclusion on anecdotes and heresay and there is nothing other than personal testimony to support the contention that past events are somehow being replayed and picked up by individuals in the present. |
Accurately-recorded first-hand testimonies are not hearsay, that's something which the law acknowledges. I am not going to re-open the debate about the influences on peoples' interpretation of what they see. When multiple testimonies tally in detail and they describe the clear appearance of for instance a person or vehicle that clearly belongs in the past, and that the apparition appears in a location inconsistent with the present day environment, commonly a ground/floor level above or below that of the present day, but at the same time consistent with a building or causeway known to have existed in the past, I think it becomes perfectly reasonable to infer that a past event is being projected.
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On a lighter note...
I'm intrigued by this location you're hoping to investimagate Inn Spectre. Can you feed us some more crumbs of fact? |
It's a situation in which security would be compromised if I were even to explain why I can't explain. If I succeed not only will the world know, but there will be nothing to prevent others repeating the exercise and validating the result. |
Eyewitness testimony is indeed accepted in a Court of Law BUT it is acknowledged to be inaccurate and subject to a number of flaws.
See the links below - there are obviously many many more but I think the two illustrate my point that eyewitnesses to a ghost/murder/car accident do not record the events they see like a camera records a scene due to the constructive nature of memory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness_identification
http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Accuracy-of-Eye-Witness-Testimony-and-Its-Flaws&id=328261
And here's a recent example of how what we think we see is not what was actually there - in this case supported by photographic evidence:
http://barsoc.org/2010/10/02/does-york-womans-photo-reveal-ghostly-image-of-ufo-no/
Regarding the cases where a ghost has been seen walking above or below the floor of a modern day structure thus conforming to a past ground or floor level - what is the ghost actually walking on?
Is it the ghost of the previous floor or ground? If so how can previously inanimate objects such as floors or roads (that never had any life) appear (or not appear) as part of a projection of a ghostly experience?. On the same note why do we not see all ghosts as being naked since surely - clothes don't come back to haunt us as they never lived and therefore never died in the first place?.
I think this tells us more about the nature of perception than it does about the physics of materialisation - of which we have absolutely no idea.
I won't carry on about the reliability of multiple testimonies other than to say they are influenced by a number of extraneous factors and should not be considered reliable nor accurate.
IMO there is (currently) no reasonable or valid evidence to support the view that locations mysteriously record and replay past events.
I do however wish you well with your secret investigation Inn Spectre and sincerely hope you get the proof that you are looking for and that it is accepted by independent experts when you submit it for detailed scrutiny.
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flossy
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that 3rd link made me giggle a bit, she thought she caught a cherub 
its obvious it was a fly lol |
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Inn Spectre
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: Can places replay past events |
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Eyewitness testimony is indeed accepted in a Court of Law BUT it is acknowledged to be inaccurate and subject to a number of flaws.
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The first two links refer to instances where the wrong human being was identified, which is a far cry from mistaking a human being for something else. The last link highlights an object out of focus, which has little bearing on the subject unless the witness had uncorrected vision. | Quote: | | Regarding the cases where a ghost has been seen walking above or below the floor of a modern day structure thus conforming to a past ground or floor level - what is the ghost actually walking on? |
Nobody is saying that it's walking on anything, rather that it is being projected at the same X,Y & Z co-ordinates at which the subject moved in life. What reference point is being used is no more known than how the projection takes place.
| Quote: | | Is it the ghost of the previous floor or ground? If so how can previously inanimate objects such as floors or roads (that never had any life) appear (or not appear) as part of a projection of a ghostly experience?. On the same note why do we not see all ghosts as being naked since surely - clothes don't come back to haunt us as they never lived and therefore never died in the first place?. |
The fact that all ghosts are not reported naked seems to suggest that inanimate objects clearly can be part of a projection of the past. In fact one detail conspicuously missing from many sighting reports is the faces of human beings, which are often described as a 'blurred area'. |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:56 am Post subject: Re: Can places replay past events |
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| Inn Spectre wrote: | | Quote: |
Eyewitness testimony is indeed accepted in a Court of Law BUT it is acknowledged to be inaccurate and subject to a number of flaws.
See the links below
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The first two links refer to instances where the wrong human being was identified, which is a far cry from mistaking a human being for something else. The last link highlights an object out of focus, which has little bearing on the subject unless the witness had uncorrected vision. | Quote: | | Regarding the cases where a ghost has been seen walking above or below the floor of a modern day structure thus conforming to a past ground or floor level - what is the ghost actually walking on? |
Nobody is saying that it's walking on anything, rather that it is being projected at the same X,Y & Z co-ordinates at which the subject moved in life. What reference point is being used is no more known than how the projection takes place.
| Quote: | | Is it the ghost of the previous floor or ground? If so how can previously inanimate objects such as floors or roads (that never had any life) appear (or not appear) as part of a projection of a ghostly experience?. On the same note why do we not see all ghosts as being naked since surely - clothes don't come back to haunt us as they never lived and therefore never died in the first place?. |
The fact that all ghosts are not reported naked seems to suggest that inanimate objects clearly can be part of a projection of the past. In fact one detail conspicuously missing from many sighting reports is the faces of human beings, which are often described as a 'blurred area'. |
So what you're saying is that people don't mistake other people for ghosts?. If people mistake a human being for 'something else' then how do we know that they're repeatedly seeing the same thing if the 'something else' has no consistently identifiable features?. Not a far cry from the issue we're discussing IMO.
Do shadowy mists conform to the same pattern whenever they are seen in the same location?.
Uncorrected vision has a big part to play in witness testimonies - whether they witnessing the living or the dead. Over 2 million people in the UK are classed as having a 'seeing difficulty' with far more regularly wearing contacts and glasses to help their vision - don't you think that's a factor in the accuracy of witness testimony?.
If as you say a ghost is not walking on anything but 'being projected' who is doing the projecting and from where?.
Is the ghost projecting it's own image into the mind of the witness?. If so this raises the question of where the ghost actually is and why it needs to project rather than appear 'in the flesh' as it were. If the projection point or for that matter an indication of the process at work is not known (and it most definitely is not) then you're merely speculating based on anecdotal evidence and questionable witness testimony.
When investigating claims of the paranormal the accepted ground rules are:
1. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, ie: evidence must be commensurate with a given claim. As an example, while personal testimony might be sufficient to credit a person with travel to New York, it would be insufficient to establish that he or she had taken a trip on a flying saucer to Mars.
2. The burden of proof rests with the person making the claim not on anyone who would question it. Harking back to the above example - a sceptic does not have to prove that the claimant did not travel to Mars in a flying saucer - it being difficult or even impossible to prove a negative - rather the claimant has the burden of proving the claim made. This is the established principle in legal proceedings just as it is in scholarship and science.
3. The simplest explanation ie: the one with the fewest assumptions - is most likely to be correct (Occams Razor). It is not I might add a guarantee of absolute truth but is a method of establishing the most likely explanation among competing explanations.
Human beings are imperfect observers. Many factors need to be taken into account when analysing witness testimony - particularly in relation to reports of ghosts etc. The biggest mistake that is often made is to take the witness at face value and believe that the shadowy shape Mr Smith saw at Bolton Abbey was the ghost of a 15th century monk. A further error to make is to assume that because X number of other people have also seen a shadowy shape in roughly the same location that this is valid evidence that a ghost of a 15th century monk is a reality. It is not.
Well known examples of multiple witnesses all observing the same (allegedly paranormal) phenomena - that have a far more likely evidentially verifiable non paranormal explanation are:
The Marfa lights in Texas, The Cemetery Ghost lights of Silver Cliff Colorado and the moving statue of the virgin Mary in Ballinspittle County Cork.
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i voted no... but infact i would have liked a maybe or not sure..
as i am not confident in my answer.
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i would say no deeply thinking about it.. because it all depends on the person who next to the rock or building.. to receive or feel the information "smells, feeling, sounds" for example some of the age of 16 wouldnt feel anything in a building from say world war 2, but some place someone in there from that time scale.. and you may get someone who can smell.. feel.. taste.. and also see..
if you want to see or feel or smell something you will.. its all in the mind, and all down to the person.
i dont see how a building can store memorys or feeling or smells.. for us to feel all of them it comes from the brain and its the brain what triggers them.. thats my view anyway :D |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:43 am Post subject: |
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| project-reveal wrote: | i voted no... but infact i would have liked a maybe or not sure..
as i am not confident in my answer.
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i would say no deeply thinking about it.. because it all depends on the person who next to the rock or building.. to receive or feel the information "smells, feeling, sounds" for example some of the age of 16 wouldnt feel anything in a building from say world war 2, but some place someone in there from that time scale.. and you may get someone who can smell.. feel.. taste.. and also see..
if you want to see or feel or smell something you will.. its all in the mind, and all down to the person.
i dont see how a building can store memorys or feeling or smells.. for us to feel all of them it comes from the brain and its the brain what triggers them.. thats my view anyway :D |
I'm in agreement with you on that project-reveal. There is no known process where a location, irrespective of what it's composition is, can record, store and replay events, emotions and smells. If anyone can link to some examples and give an explanation for how this might work I'd certainly give it due consideration.
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