Can places replay past events

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

D B Sweeny..You appear to be having a great deal of problems with the fact that Paranormal in fact means Para normal! You see I have been watching what you say to people here. You structure your arguments against the evidence of the paranormal against actual normality. Each time a paranormal subject arrises you ask for proof and factual evidence to suport it..Well friend there in fact (in most cases) is none Im afraid. because what the person is discussing is paranormal. So you want paranormal evidence of another kind do you? When you look through a telescope and you see a star, the star you are looking at is seen by your eye but the light which causes the picture has been travelling a long time so what you are looking at is a star which was there a period of time ago..You must know of this.. Lets call this star A. Then just to the left of it is a star maybe roughly the same distance away which appears in the same way..we can call this star B.. Star A and Star B are 400,000,000 miles apart. Heres the scientificaly proven paranormal bit..and you can check this out for as long as you like. When you move the telescope from Point A to Point B, you have just moved you line of view 400,000,000 miles in distance within 2 seconds. You see the distance between point A and you can be explained. The distance between point B and you can be explained but the distance between A and B ? Interesting. A bit deep and confusing but Interesting. The universe we understand and which is phyisical, applies only to about 7 percent of the known universe. The rest is dark matter, dark energy or areas un known to science. The Elemental table has the middle missing! Now most of our known sciences are being undermind by new theoretic science, see A New Science of the Paranormal by Lawrence Le Shan, Ph D... you may enjoy it. Quantum physics is a rather new theory, but is already falling on the rocks of theoretical science. It is said that parapsychology will be taught in American schools within the next five years. If you fancy a go at Quantum Mechanics ( theoretical Science again) theres the Basic Quantum Mechanics by J.L Martin. You see not all sciences and situations can be explained, so when people on here tell you of things of which they can not explain, please don't just ask them to proove it..All the scientists on earth can't proove it either, it just is. Instead tell them ok thats cool and lets look into it together to find an answer. Because thats what scientists do. It is better to enpower an interest than to destroy or deny one. I know you are interested and are full of questions, but if you can study till you can't study any more then you have a better chance of understanding and helping others. I have never said that I know everything and being a sad person, I spend most of my time with my head in books and sat in cold dark places attempting to apply my knowledge and common sense to situations which occure around me and of which I record to media. But I will never dought another belief structure, as I believe that all information and knowledge is relevant. Please don't think Im having a go at you, Im not. But it would be nice if you could take a different tack when dealing with sometimes very delicate beliefs that people may hold dear. Thankyou for your time Iain Lawrence.

D B Sweeney · Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:00 am Post subject:

Thanks Iain. An interesting insight. I actually prefer the term Perinormal but use Paranormal for ease of understanding on forums.
You're quite correct in that I do ask for more information from people who post their experiences due to the fact that the information is at best very basic and sketchy. The danger with this is that people reading those kind of posts make assumptions and fill in the gaps with their own biases and opinions.
In most cases there will be further information (not necessarily proof) that will support their story or shed light on some aspect of it thus allowing the reader to have a better understanding of the circumstances surrounding the experience.
Additionally I believe I don't structure my arguments around anything other than trying to get towards the truth. What is discussed is only paranormal if the person thinks it is and if the circumstances and the numerous factors involved (which we're not always given) suggest that it may be outside our current scientific understanding. IMO such cases are very very rare but I do acknowledge that they can and do happen.

Your star analogy was very good but you will be aware that what we often see as a star can be an illusion due to the fact that we're only actually seeing a light signature that may have left the star whilst Jesus was playing left back for Judea. The truth may well be that the star died hundreds of years ago.

I'm not sure I agree with your 7% of the Universe is known - that puts a finite measure on the Universe and assumes we are yet to find 93% of the remaining Universe. However I'm not going to into that further or Dark Matter or speculations on Quantum physics since this is all highly theoretical and has no proven link with the ghost popping up in the local Library. I do agree that science has not explained everything or we'd not be having this discussion but the scientific method is the best tool we have for investigating the paranormal.

When you say 'All the scientists on earth can't prove it either' are you referring to specific paranormal experiences or generalising about Quantum theory?. The vast majority of paranormal experiences have a perfectly logical explanation. It's only with proper scientific investigation, research and asking questions (not asking for proof) that we'll get anywhere near a valid explanation for the things people currently class as unexplained and paranormal. Sometimes para is so close to normal that the truth is often staring us in the face - but there are none so blind as those not willing to see.

I've been reading, researching and investigating this subject for over 35 years and am still increasing my knowledge and indeed asking questions. I'm not really going to pussyfoot around anyones beliefs - whether they believe in god, jesus, the flying spaghetti monster or the spirit of dead uncle Joe who lives under the bed because within reason no subject should be ring fenced and not be open to reasonable questioning. Places where this happens actually exist and they're called Saudi Arabia and North Korea.

I don't understand your statement that you would never doubt another belief structure Iain. If I said I believed I had an invisible fire breathing dragon in my garage would you doubt my belief? would you question me in order to form an opinion as to whether I was telling the truth, lying or under some mental delusion?. If you're not going to doubt my belief structure you may as well put all your books away now and accept everything at face value.

I really appreciate your points Iain and find them both interesting and thought provoking - long may they continue Smile

Sceptically yours...DB

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

Thankyou for getting back,
You said that Emf meters were of no use during paranormal investigations due to them picking up readings from other equipment in the area. Yes this is true, but just has true as in there use in industry where they are used to measure backgound Emf in the work place for safe environment checks. They are also used to check wiring systems in factorys were many pieces of equipment are being used. In order to utilise this piece of equipment correctly it is important to do a Emf map of the environment first. This will give a map of where all the hot spots are. You must also take down times of switch's and central heating on/off's. Once you have done all of this you must take into consideration camera's and digi thermometers, tv's and other mobile equipment. A good researcher will do this automaticaly. Then and only then can an Emf meter be used constructively. Oh ye and if its a very good meter, don't forget natural magnetic fields ie magnetic north!

D B Sweeney · Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:54 am Post subject:

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

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You also mention the quantum theory and dark energy and dark matter quandry...Oh I didn't mention sub atomics did I...
Im afraid these subjects are very much relevent to paranormal research of all kinds. You see this energy we are talking about here doesn't only excist in space outside the atmosphere...it is inside and outside of us! It is believed to be what makes up 93 percent of the known universe. Dark matter is still theory as is dark energy and quantum physics is the scientic communities attempt to explain the sub atomic world. But allas even these theories are become old news now as new ones take there place. The subject of relativity and universal gravity is almost obsalite now in the scientific community and it will eventualy be stopped being taught in school. The reason the scientists in general do not like the idea of para-science is that it can not be re produced in a lab and they can not quantify there findings. Simple as that..Where as the new age of science is finding new and rewarding ways of assessing data which has baffled the general physics community.
So to answer the question as to whether new scientific methods are of use in paranormal research..yes.. untill a science is prooven or researched it will always remain para- science.
We are both intelligent people, we know when something is silly. But when a scared mother tells me that her children are suffering depression because something is comming into there room at night and that that mother awaiks at 3am every morning to see a dark mass leaning over her. That things move around the house and footsteps tread the landing in the evening and the daughters friend ran screaming from the house in the middle of the night! Do I say na...its a faulty microwave or its all in your head..no..I go and attempt to find out whats going on. Am I refering to a film like paranormal activity, no Im refering to a family who contacted me, crying at the door of my van in front of all the people leaving school begging me to help them. Im investigating that situation at presant. So I don't believe it till I experience it, but don't dispute it till then. Sometimes what people say to us may sound stupid and not make sence to us, but its all about how they perceive it and deal with it. I wasn't having a go at you before, it was just that when I have talked to you on here a few times you seem to attack in a defensive manner. It would maybe be better to get the full story and then attempt to make sence if it in a common sence sort of way.

D B Sweeney · Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:39 am Post subject:

Oh I didn't mention sub atomics did I...

No and I'm glad you didn't Shocked

Im afraid these subjects are very much relevent to paranormal research of all kinds.

Well, they are and they aren't Iain. They are because there may at some point in the future be a link between the subjects that I'm not willing to discuss at length and they, more importantly, aren't because there is no valid, scientific link to them and what the vast majority of people are experiencing as ghosts and associated phenomenon.

The case you're investigating at the moment - I'm not qualified to comment on because I don't have enough information on it. You're the one doing the investigation and I respect your ability to do it professionally. I agree that it's best to have first hand experience of a case before coming to even an initial theory as to what is going on. I wouldn't say that I attack or become defensive in relation to posts or my responses to the answers I'm given.
I do get irked at people posting and immediately going to the default position that 'ghosts did it'. I also get frustrated when not enough information is posted.
I'm a Moderator and an Admin on a few other sites that discuss the paranormal and have been for over 5 years. My role on them dictates that I have to deal with members posts in a fair and initially non judgemental way and that everyones view (no matter how much I may disagree with them) has just as much right to be posted as devout believers or devout cynics.But like everyone I'm only human and have my own foibles and annoyances which may come across when my otherwise impeccable manners drop Wink

DB

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

Very well said and I respect your position. I would never personaly go streight to the oppinion that everything is a haunting or a "ghost" . That would be silly, I actualy don't entirely believe in the concept. But I have to say that during the many years I have investigated this form of phenomena I have experienced many very odd and sometimes wierd things which feed my interest. Im not sure what it is which is showing up on media or interacting around people and me at some times, it could be a life form of which we have no comprehention, but what ever it is I will keep looking and it is good to know there are people out there like yourself who show the harder edge of belief and who knows one day it may become apparant. Thankyou for your input.
P.s Ive been off here for so long due to working away..

Lawrence · Joined: 24 Nov 2010 Posts: 8 Location: Virginia USA

Perhaps this is somethi ng similar to or related to Akashic records? Idea

D B Sweeney · Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:28 am Post subject:

Hi Lawrence,

The Akashic records are a metaphysical concept and as such relatively unproven but I see where you're coming from. It's an interesting concept since both myself, you, this computer etc ultimately originated as the explosion of a dying star and we're literally all stardust. My difficulty is understanding how for example a battlefield such as Gettysburg can record and playback past events or even simply generate past emotions such as pain, fear, elation?.
I can fully understand that people experience these emotions in such places but IMO they are more to do with expectancy and being aware of the history and suffering than being any independent projection.

DB

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

D B Sweany there is no actual proof that we are a product of a dying star, that is a long argumented theory. Sorry to but in.
or maybe we were created by God? that ones done well, "struggling now" but done well.
If we're in the realms of theory I could offer some beutys.
Theres the quantum theory one which states that the world around you only excists when you observe it, when you turn your head it becomes electrical energy...
ooo the list goes on. So the Akashic records are welcome on board in my book. All aboard the loony bus !!!

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

P.S hello Lawrence nice to meet you. Word of warning! Im so far outside the box, Im beginning to think Im a theory myself.
(great way to avoid the tax man)
It could become a new religion.
.and my spelling is dreadfull..
a bit like a great driver in a crap car! Just do your best with it...ta.

D B Sweeney · Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:59 am Post subject:

D B Sweany there is no actual proof that we are a product of a dying star

The Solar System (including the Earth) formed from a large, rotating cloud of interstellar dust and gas called the solar nebula - WIKIPEDIA

www.ted.com/talks/stephen_hawking_asks_big_questions_about_the_universe.html - STEPHEN HAWKING

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/06/990625080416.htm - PHYSICIST FINDS OUT WHY WE ARE STARDUST

DB

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

My friend, wikipedia is not always right. It is a theory.. nothing more ,nothing less. A widely believed one , but then so is God. If you consider other new sciences, yes some theoretical. You will see that these concepts are in trouble. If we are talking about what a large section of the world believes you may be right..but unless you personaly saw the occurance happen at first hand and experienced it with full knowledge and understaning of the facts, it remains a theory. The world beind round was documented as silly once and scientific papres of the time documented it as a flat circle.. but now the globular world is there for all to see on Wikipedia.. But you may say people back then weren't has intelegent as we are now..well people now are not as intelegent as people will be in 600 yrs. and they may find that the universe in which we excist is an entirely different place to what we believe it to be now. Thats why theory os exciting...the consept of the universe being created by a big bang was once a theory..would you have doughted it then.
Thankyou for your input.

Big Bang Theory as seen on Wikipedia...
Still called the Big bang theory...

D B Sweeney · Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:13 am Post subject:

I think Stephen Hawking and some other highly qualified Physicists as well as the scientific community as a whole endorses the Stardust theory Ian not just WIKI. Of course you're correct it is just a theory as is the theory of Gravity but you just try jumping off Leeds Town Hall to try to disprove it Very Happy

God isn't a theory, god is a belief but don't get me started on god just yet. I wouldn't say that 500 years ago people were less intelligent anymore than in 600 years from now we will be more intelligent - we simply know more about the way the world and the universe works now and it's probably safe to say we'll know a whole lot more in 600 years if we (or a meteoric collision) have not wiped ourselves out.
Science is exciting, theories are tested and developed all the time. I'm excited by String Theory and more so by the theory of the Multiverse which raises so many interesting questions and I'm sure you think the same way.

DB

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

But it is a THEORYwho ever came up with it. There are some very clever and imaginative people about. I know what your saying though. When we experience things at first hand like jumping off a building it makes it all so reall and it is I suppose.. but the questions are much deeper.