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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thecactus wrote:
Well what do you think of the Patterson-Gimlin film? Real or hoax?


I think it's genuine despite the controversy surrounding it.

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thecactus



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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really? Not like you DB - what about the friend that came forward years later and said he wore the costume; I thought when I read that it was most likely a hoax.

But one thing that did seem interesting is that there appears to be muscle movement in the creatures leg when walking, which seems a bit elaborate for a hoax in 1967.

Can you tell me anymore pictures/film that you think are genuine?


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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thecactus wrote:
Really? Not like you DB - what about the friend that came forward years later and said he wore the costume; I thought when I read that it was most likely a hoax.

Can you tell me anymore pictures/film that you think are genuine?


Just because he said he wore the 'suit' doesn't make it a hoax. People lie or bend the truth for all kinds of reasons. The various biomechanical analyses of the gait/carriage suggest that this is not a man in a suit.

Nearly all good pics of Bigfoot are most likely hoaxed, same with film footage - so much so that if a genuine one comes along it will be hard to distinguish as genuine - especially in the age of CGi and advanced prosthetics. We also have to look at who is providing the pics/footage. The BFRO are about the most credible source of Bigfoot reports.

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thecactus



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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone ever captured one of these creatures, or do you believe one has ever been captured?
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thecactus wrote:
Has anyone ever captured one of these creatures, or do you believe one has ever been captured?


None have ever been captured that we know of. I don't think any have been captured due to their sheer elusiveness and the fact that they're a social creature that hunts in groups (think of the social structure of Chimps). If one is shot and wounded or worse I suspect the others would pretty quickly get the individual away from the danger. The people who go out into the wilderness areas have no interest in killing or capturing them and the idiots who do are usually using the wrong methods to track them.

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Agentscott



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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This all seems quite interesting, ive never really given it any thought.

I think though if they got a pro team of trakkers like Ray Mears and also some nature experts then they would be found, their habbitat is only so big and time would bring them in.

Mountain lepards are super rare with less than 4 thousand in numbers but eventually can be traked down by the pro's with time and patence.

If they are using the terrain then they will be leaving evidence, of their impact on the woods, droppings ect just like any other wild animal.

Remote cameras could be used to get an imige too.

If these guys are real and so illusive then perhaps they may be paranormal creatures themselves.
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

heir habbitat is only so big

It's huge, far bigger than you imagine Agentscott.

Mountain lepards are super rare with less than 4 thousand in numbers but eventually can be traked down by the pro's with time and patence.

Mountain Lions aren't semi-humans and don't have the same size brains as these creatures. Would you say you were more or less intelligent than a cat?.

If they are using the terrain then they will be leaving evidence, of their impact on the woods, droppings ect just like any other wild animal.
They leave scat, it's rare to find but it has been found. They also leave footprints and hair samples.
Remote cameras have obviously been deployed and some images have been captured but they have an uncanny ability to recognise cameras and when they are being watched.

If these guys are real and so illusive then perhaps they may be paranormal creatures themselves.
There are elements within the Bigfoot researchers who think there is an ultra-dimensional aspect to the creatures.

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Agentscott



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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it's interesting stuff DB,
Sounds like fun trying to find them.
whats the most accepted theory on what they are, ive heard of the term sashquash, are they connected.
Perhaps i'd better look into it a bit.
I'd laugh if it turned out that they was actually ET's.
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Iain Lawrence



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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 11:27 am    Post subject: Have I seen a ghost. Reply with quote

I saw what I believed to be a ghost and only the once at Roche abbey. Strange run of events which began with seeing a misty figure sort of swearl past my freind.
I then took several photo's..(when I could due to the camera turning off and on?) and captured the photo in this short movie. I admit that its a little obscure but It was also a personal experience. Its the way things like this happen which embed the belief of the spirit. As it happened it sort of wasn't right? and they do say seeing is believing but even then I don't entirely beleive the situation was entirely paranormal due to being rather skeptical, it's about as close to it as I have been. The misty figure, the battries dying in the camera, the feeling at the time and the final photograph. We also captured some strange Evp documentaion which occured at the same time. I'll pop the vid of it all here and you can try to put yourself in the same situation.. p.s the humidity was low and it was summer. The photo has been entered into three books and is the first photo to pop up in google search for "Roche Abbey Ghost". Enjoy.
http://youtu.be/NKXAcvDuEOk
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Iain Lawrence



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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very good DB..
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iain, I can fully understand why you believe you may have experienced and captured the image of some kind of entity at Roche Abbey. The combination of the factors plus the atmosphere and reputation of the location itself would all contribute to the conclusion you reached - which I don't disagree with. Very interesting vid and I think if I'd have been in your shoes I may have felt the same way.

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thecactus



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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

D B Sweeney,
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The people who go out into the wilderness areas have no interest in killing or capturing them and the idiots who do are usually using the wrong methods to track them.


I think it would be great if one was captured or killed, just to prove their existence.


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There are elements within the Bigfoot researchers who think there is an ultra-dimensional aspect to the creatures.


I assume you don't believe this? Where do you think they come from - evolution etc?
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thecactus



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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iain Lawrence, That's a good picture.
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it would be great if one was captured or killed, just to prove their existence.

I'd prefer some genuine footage or better still an accompanying biopsy sample rather than capture or killing. If this were to happen it would send very big shockwaves through many different scientific and religious communities.

I assume you don't believe this? Where do you think they come from - evolution etc?

No I don't but I can see why they would think this. I think they're a product of evolution. Way back when what became man split from what became apes the Bigfoot went off on another parallel course..IMO of course.

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thecactus



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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

D B Sweeney, I think an example of one of these creatures, dead or alive, would be needed for their existence to be confirmed by all. Of course the capture or killing of that particular creature wouldn't be pleasant for it, but a small price IMO.

I don't see how the Religions would be adversely affected by the existence of these though Confused (well I do a little, but not severely affected)

For Scientists and wildlife experts and enthuasiasts it would be great.
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