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Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

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D B Sweeney · Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:04 pm Post subject:

IMO it's the natural human tendency to count the hits and ignore the misses, otherwise known as Observational Selection:

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-propaganda.html#observational

Two classic examples that most people will relate are thinking of a particular song and 'suddenly' it gets played on the radio - the 'suddenly' is described as anything from instantaneous to later that day. The second commonly cited example is thinking of a friend (close or long lost) then 'suddenly' getting a phone call/email from them.
What people don't remember are all the times they thought of songs, friends, films etc and didn't 'suddenly' receive a visual or auditory reference to them.

DB

thecactus · Joined: 07 Mar 2011 Posts: 3196 Location: Northern Ireland

good post iain - i think this is possible - i think possibly peoples 'will' is more powerfu than they realise - this could be why 'the power of prayer' works - it might not be God, but just the person/peoples will

eg: Doyle Brunson is a professional poker player - 78 years old

Brunson met his future wife, Louise, in 1960 and married her in August 1962. Louise became pregnant, but later that year, a tumor was discovered in Doyle's neck. When it was operated on, the surgeons found that the cancer had spread and declared it incurable. They felt that an operation would prolong his life long enough for him to see the birth of the baby, so they went ahead with it. After the operation, no trace of the cancer could be found. The doctors said that his recovery must have been a miracle, and Brunson has attributed his cure to the prayers of friends of his wife and their correspondence with Kathryn Kuhlman, a self-proclaimed Christian faith healer. Louise developed a tumor shortly afterwards and, when she went for surgery, her tumor was also found to have disappeared. In 1975, their daughter Doyla was diagnosed with scoliosis, yet her spine straightened completely within three months.

when he was dieing his wife had large mass prayers said for him (100s people for hours on end) and i believe that is what saved him - but wheras he believes it was intervention by God, I think it was possibly these peoples will - that saved him

D B Sweeney · Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:26 am Post subject:

So you believe that Prayer works Cactus?.

DB

thecactus · Joined: 07 Mar 2011 Posts: 3196 Location: Northern Ireland

yes possibly and possibly simply because of the person or people who are prayings' will for what they want makes it happen

so someone hoping for something might make it happen, to an extent

but of course i am not saying it work every single time

D B Sweeney · Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:52 am Post subject:

thecactus · Joined: 07 Mar 2011 Posts: 3196 Location: Northern Ireland

thats not really funny db - my mate had an aortic aneurysm about 5 months ago and was actually dead for a minute in the ambulance, but the doctors had to amputate his legs - he is only 17 and is really depressed about it - and he's now reading the bible too - he was a semi professional footballer and if you seen him you wouldnt laugh

D B Sweeney · Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:27 am Post subject:

thecactus · Joined: 07 Mar 2011 Posts: 3196 Location: Northern Ireland

I know you didnt know it, but some people will get offended when you say things like that.

Although I know what you mean about amputees not getting healed - but there have been a lot of miraculous healings in lourdes etc... for a lot of different illnesses

But my main point was that maybe it wasnt 'God' helping these people - maybe it was the actual people praying for them (unknowingly) through their will

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

Yes D.B I have a theory.. "excuse spelling- my paraspell aint working".
The theory of chance and intent are seen everywhere.
The overall theory is that if science ie, quantum theory is to be believed, we are made up of energy. Simply + and - which inturn is held together by the glue = electromagnetism. Thats all the neutrons, electrons etc etc...we are an energy at a soul level which eminates its own exsistance so to speak. Creating the world around us within an incredable mix of electrical actions and re-actions which interlink and co excists.
This would then entail that the world as we percieve it doesn't actualy exist, its just the way our senses interact with it at an atomic level. Which brings me to my point. If we are producing our own destany in conjunction with already learned variables there lies a good chance that by intently wanting something to happen in the future we can lay the stepping stones at a subconsious level which enables a future occurance to occure. I wreckon usualy our future is laid in place as a sort of excepted production of known events. Although sometimes things do happen out of the blue, maybe we subconsiously produce these due to the line of life line production needing stablising? Im not sure.
This is why controlled future event production appears so wuch within religion and magic and such like. If you believe in something strongly enough, you could be shapeing the outcome of future events. Which also brings to light the idea of ghosts and hauntings? If you believe enough, you can produce them. Which wouldn't mean they are in your inagination, it means you have psychosmaticaly created a haunting or manifestation upon the physical world through thought intention. Which in turn would mean that ghosts are there. Just not as we thought they were?
Soz about the spelling. Its bad having a good brain when your mental type writer doesn't know which keys to press.
Ive tried to sort it out but Im coming to the idea Im dyslexic. But that don't make me a bad man lmao.
Hope you made sense of all that. Just a theory.
Go on guys dive in and thankyou for your posts.