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Iain Lawrence



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:32 pm    Post subject: ......................... Reply with quote

Removed due to been an open minded idiot.

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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:56 pm    Post subject: Re: For you consideration. Advanced theoretics. Reply with quote

Iain Lawrence wrote:

unless we can prove we exist, we cannot assume anything around us does either.

what we are looking for (as in the paranormal) is so much bigger than what is perceived by the general media and everyday pursuit for answers. Reach outside the box and never discount anything.

Oh ye , I worked out how to use spell check on here. Now I won't look so stupid when I spell important wordsrong lol.


"I think, therefore I am" - Descartes
I am able to think, therefore I am alive ergo I exist. A philosophical proof of existence based on the fact that someone capable of thought is alive.

I think before we go looking for the 'Paranormal' we have to be very clear what we believe the Paranormal actually is. The word Paranormal is a catch all, one size fits all word that has been overused to the extent that it's lost it's meaning. So, what is the Paranormal?....
A noise in the night that is unexplained?
A light in the sky?
A faint voice on a dictaphone?
The ability to move an object without physically touching it?
The shadowy figure briefly glimpsed from the corner of the eye?
All of these and more besides have fallen under the Paranormal umbrella - but are they really unexplainable, are they really beyond scientific understanding and explanation?.
The media has a very contrived and simplistic view of the Paranormal which is usually a ghost or the ability to bend spoons and for that reason we can discount the popular media as arbiters of the Paranormal. Like you say Iain - it's bigger than the media make out but IMO not so big that we cannot try to understand what exactly is going on.

Congrats with the spellcheck as well Very Happy

DB
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Iain Lawrence



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To me the paranormal is the existence of anything other than to which we have known understandable or conceptual proof. It is the theoretic's which lie beyond our sensors and that to which we aspire to understand. Its not the bumps in the night and white or dark spooky shapes which are the paranormal, its the reason for them and the concept of them. The concept of "I think therefore I am" is IMO a rather flat and sad idealism born from an atomic line of thinking. it doesn't go deep enough, I don't care who wrote it, that person is no more a idealist than anyone else. Philosophical proof stands for nothing as it too is born from known thinking and provided from embedded life experience contaminated mental equations.I don't care who tells me the answers to anything, we are bound to conscious thought and anything brought forward from that pool of thinking can never be proven correct. We can have theoretic opinions, but never conclusions. This is why all known knowledge is theoretical. Without the correct building blocks of actual factual information we can conclude nothing. So unless a person has actual died and is still dead and can give a reference to death in consideration to being alive and can prove they were alive ( as the reverse situation may be relevant) and understands the concepts of both situations and as a true and factual point of reference, that person can not conclude life or death. As I said before, without actual proven evidence of plus, plus can make no reference to minus and visa versa.
I sometimes wonder why I do what I do as the answers to what I search for can never be found. But its the not knowing which drives me forward and stops me sleeping at night. The actual facts of what we are can never be proven in life or I believe in death. Death its self is a concept we have put in place to explain the end of atomic life. The possible lines of thought concerning the subject of the paranormal are in them selves infinitival. How arrogant we are to think we can even take the first step. This line of thinking can drive people insane and probably has done. I envy those people I see going about there daily lives, not caring about what they are. But I have climbed upon the bus to to understanding who I am and it won't stop. Thank you for your input D.B its great to have your input. You may think that at times I have a belief in what has come to be known as the Paranormal, but the deeper truth is that I have a belief in nothing. Im am the most skeptical open minded inquisitive person I have ever met. Plus one of the most pro active investigators too. I may never find what I am looking for but it won't stop me looking.
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We can have theoretic opinions, but never conclusions. This is why all known knowledge is theoretical. Without the correct building blocks of actual factual information we can conclude nothing.

What about the theory of Gravity, that seems quite conclusive to me?.
If you leap out of tenth floor window you'll fall and not stop until you hit the ground - that's a fact Smile . The escape velocity to escape the Earths gravitational pull and reach outer space is seven miles per second - that's a fact as well Smile . While Gravity may be called a theory it's actually a reality.

So unless a person has actual died and is still dead and can give a reference to death in consideration to being alive and can prove they were alive ( as the reverse situation may be relevant) and understands the concepts of both situations and as a true and factual point of reference, that person can not conclude life or death.

No dead person has ever been proven to come back from the dead and verify that they were once alive and fully understand that they are now dead - if they had of done we'd not be having this discussion now since the physics books would have been re-written.

I may never find what I am looking for but it won't stop me looking.

Never stop looking Iain but avoid any overthink Very Happy

DB
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Iain Lawrence



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lmao..DB you realy do need to climb out of the atomic box. Gravity is an atomic theory. No, no one has come back from the dead, there is no proof of death. But we were apparently dead before we were alive, but no one can remember that either, so do people who are on the other side have a true belief or proof of what we call alive. Without proof of one there can not be any proof of the other. Over thinking push's the boundries of excepted knowledge. Surly you can not expect me to only consider theories from a perspective of what is already known. Round and round and round...
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