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Iain Lawrence



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:58 pm    Post subject: ............................. Reply with quote

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Iain Lawrence



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No rush then?
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good topic to raise Iain Very Happy

Firstly I'll be polite but not sensitive or accommodating of anyone's religious beliefs unless they can present a valid case for those beliefs that doesn't simply rely on 'faith' or circular reasoning.

You die, you survive as a spirit

One of your options then to communicate with someone you desperately love and care for who is still alive, is through a third party who you can show an image of a rose to or blow on their ear.

You desperately want to talk to your loved one and share again your deepest thoughts, feelings and even memories of walks along a beach or that brilliant holiday you had in Vegas.

But you can't talk to them directly, they have to pay someone else to interpret the images that you are sending, and the 3rd party guesses at the images.Sometimes the guesses are completely wrong, most times they're vague.

You're dead, but you know exactly where you hid the pin number for your account with all your savings in, your loved one is going to default on the Mortgage if they can't find it.

But you can't tell them where it is or even give them the number via the third party.

They have to pay a 3rd party who will guess from the images you send where the pin number is. And you have to trust the 3rd party to pass on the truth, not nip around later and get the number themselves.

Never mind proof, never mind rational thinking.

Any system that puts your most intimate and loving exchanges in to the hands of a third party defies sense. But we're talking about self delusion / belief here, which is very powerful.

But some people's beliefs will never be changed - not even when all the proof in the world is presented to them.

When you show people evidence that contradicts their beliefs all they do is dismiss the evidence and engage in fallacious reasoning so they can hang onto their deeply held irrational beliefs.

So to sum up - there may be someone out there who can genuinely talk to the dead. To date I've seen no compelling evidence that this is possible and the people that claim they can are either outright frauds or unknowingly deluding themselves that they have the ability.

DB
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thecactus



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't any definite opinions on mediumship yet, but I definitely do intend to look into it in the future.
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flossy
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there are that many fake mediums out there you can never tell who is genuine or if there are any genuine mediums out there at all
i know of a couple of people who claim to be mediums and had a reading off both, they came up with things they couldnt of possably known, how do i explain it, i cant?
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thecactus



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flossy, exactly - if you just walk into a medium, give a false name, they have no way to identify you, and then they give you a load of accurate information that no-one could have known - cold reading can only go so far.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

both my readings were online via chat (friends on facebook)
ive not met these guys so they didnt really know much about me other than what is on my profile, which is not much lol
so really cold reading didnt come into it
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Iain Lawrence



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the input there.
I have had experiences were I have spoken to people who are liers. They have attempted to make things up and get cash for sale of ability, when in fact there has been none. They will say " I'm having a bad day" or "sometimes the sighns are vague". But I have also spoken to people who have given me amazing readings via telephone and to my face which incorperates theoritic evidence which no one else could know?
Ok real/not real.
I have since thought of telepaphy. Are these people reading my mind?
Do they have the ability to document information hidden in most peoples heads and return that information to us. Then people may say " but even I didn't know that information?)
But do we all then have that same ability, but have no access to that information due to lack of use of such ability. So then we could know a whole lot of things which we don't realise we know, but which is available to a given telepath. Who knows? But I have seen a very well known medium pass information to a group of people and has given amazing evidence, but the information was directed at the wrong persons? Was that person reading the information from peoples heads, but getting confused as to who the information was connected too.
I am very skeptical concerning mediumship, but not closed minded to it. But surly the ability to read a persons mind is paranormal to us any way and if these people are doing this, how are they doing it? and in what form is that information being relayed?
Thanks for the input people, keep it going.
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Iain Lawrence



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DB, there are always ging to be people who will steel from others and to lie to a person in such a way is very bad. But not all mediums are this way enclined and I have heard of times when the information given as been very accurate indeed. Maybe it should be a case of, if a person requests a certain piece of information and it is correctly given, they get paid. But if not they don't.
I do believe though that mediumship should be paid for as it has its benefits and takes a very great many years to train for, yes there are qualifications(which have to be kept current and are very expensive). Any form of human endeavour should be payed its dues. But it is important to ensure you check someone out before moving farward.
A medium I would advise is Philip Solomon. This guy is so accurate it mess's with the head lol. He'll keep you busy DB...in a productive way.
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