Elctro magnatism & confusion.

KiloCharlie · Joined: 27 Oct 2011 Posts: 47

As someone who regularly experiences large magnetic fields & as someone who often produces those fields in very close proximity to my head, due to being a radio amateur & using hand held radios with antennas no more than a few CM from my head. The belief that these fields are allegedly known to cause confusion or so called supernatural experiences has interested me since first reading about them.
So I have been researching it.
But I have been unable to find any clear evidence for this belief being a reality. The claims are often used without supporting reference in the sales pitch of EMF meters & by paranormal researchers & ghost hunters. But no one backs up these claims, just uses them as a fact...But is it?
The facts seem to be based upon the work of Michael Persinger a Canadian Nero psychologist, who carried out a number of experiments using a hat (his so called god helmet!!!!!!) This had built in coils that produced "a weak" electro magnetic field over the temporal lobes.
Now look at someone using a handheld two way radio, how many angle the antenna at 45 degrees up the side of the head & thus produce massive EMF's a few CM's from the temporal lobes??
However this research was questioned as those taking part were expecting the results shown, in fact some went specifically to experience the results!!!! When the same hats & equipment was borrowed by Swedish psychologist Pehr Granqvist who conducted the same experiments, but without an expectant research subject & with the researcher not knowing if the coils were activated or not..Thus the researcher was as blind as the subject.
The difference in results between the expectant subject & a properly conducted experiment was massive & Persinger's experiment was discredited as a result of the massive discrepancy.
Persinger suggested that the second experiment was flawed due to the computer running the Swedish tests not running DOS software. But further tests were carried out by Goldsmith Collage in London & they used a plain featureless white room with hidden coils that would produce the same levels of electro magnetism around peoples heads & this again produced evidence that electro magnetism does not produce any changes in people.
It is worth noting that the levels of electro magnetism used to allegedly produce the claimed results in Persinger's experiment were lower than those produced by someone using a hair dryer close to their head & far below that experience by a radio amateur or commercial PMR radio user experiences.
It is also worth noting that the Offshore radio stations produced massive amounts of electro magnetic field & yet despite many many stations running many killowatts of power through a radiating element just feet from the crew & the fact that these conditions were replicated in different vessels & forts, using different frequencies over several decades. The claimed haunting levels of broadcast ships & forts is non existent.
Does anyone have any verifiable research evidence of electro magnetism causing the claimed effects? Or is this just a case of everyone quoting each other & being added to by dodgy sales pitches that just reinforce unreliable claims to make a profit?
The evidence for Ultra Sound, which is a Ultra Low Frequency sound wave is clearly proven & this could be generated by a RF transmitter & thus have a non ionising electro magnetic origin. Is clearly proven.
It should also be noted that the evidence produced by Persinger related to one frequency only & is not thus evidence that any EMF can achieve the same results. As different wavelengths behave very differently, both in how the surroundings effect them & in what they can penetrate.

D B Sweeney · Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:08 pm Post subject:

Great post KC. I don't think that naturally occurring EMFs are able to produce the phenomenon reported outside controlled conditions, therefore EMF's probably don't produce hallucinations of ghosts IMO.

DB

KiloCharlie · Joined: 27 Oct 2011 Posts: 47

A further set of problems are directly related to the design & use of EMF meters.
When you look at EMF meters the question needs to be what are they designed to do???? Most it seems are designed to measure Radiation Flux Density in mains electricity type fields. i.e at around 50hz.
When you look at today's world & the nature of non ionising Electro magnetic fields being produced in domestic environment you will find that much of it is being produced unintentionally all around us, by electrical items that are producing RF far away from mains frequencies & also on multiple frequencies due to the fact that they are also producing harmonics & RF mixing.
A harmonic is a multiple, both up & down from of the fundamental frequency & a exact multiplication of it. Mixing is where the fundermental frequency produces spurious RF spikes due to a variety of causes.
If you take a look at the main known producers of RF interference to amateur radio operators you will get some idea of the nature of RF induced EMF's all around you & the nature of the spectrum & field strengths these cover.
Looking at both The Radio Society of Great Britain's (RSGB) & the UKQRM site we find...
The UKQRM lists the following database of noise produced by RF inducing devices..
BT Vision Powerline adaptor 3-30mhz notched in some ham bands reported range 500 yards....Advent HPA powerline adaptors as sold by PC World, range three houses click pop when idle, louder and faster when in use. 2-22mhz.....SavaPlug from Iceland and other stores, reduces power consumption of fridge freezers quite old tech now, QRM from 240khz to 600Khz some harmonics also......Defective street light, QRM 100 kHz to over 32 MHz 200 meters range.....Mains powered (12vdc)ultrasonic cat deterrent, very local cure by adding earth spike to negative wire. Frequency range 10-30 Mhz.....Alba TV/DVD on standby affects 9- 11 Mhz range 100 feet....Electric fence, range 400 yards worse at night. The sound clip was made at 400 yard range, close up its a very clear noise. Cure by asking owner to check connections for rust and to make sure weeds have not grown into it....

RSGB....Televisions. The line timebase frequency of 625 line television systems is 15.625kHz. Harmonics may be heard as narrow band signals on multiples of this frequency, for example, 3500 kHz, 3515.625kHz, 3531.25kHz, etc. As the line frequency is 1MHz divided by 64, harmonics are found on multiples of 125kHz. Some plasma TV sets radiate broadband interference mainly in the lower half of the HF band. Because of the large screen area most of the interference comes directly from the screen....Switch‐mode power supplies. A switch‐mode power supply (SMPS) generates a square wave at a frequency of 30 ‐ 90kHz or more. On the LF, MF and lower HF bands, harmonics from an SMPS can produce broad band RFI with broad peaks and 100Hz modulation. The peaks are spaced at multiples of the switching frequency. On the higher HF bands and at VHF, the peaks may merge together. (Most buildings have many SMPS's, they run everything from PC's to TV's to Burglar alarms to toys.)....lighting which uses 12 volt halogen spotlights, the transformers may either be a conventional type or an 'electronic transformer' which is a switch‐mode power supply with AC output.....Low energy lamps ‐ most types, are electronic and contain a small switchmode power supply....RFI from an AC or DC electric motor with brushes and a commutator is broad band without peaks. Its pitch varies as the motor speed varies....Faulty thermostats can arc for 1 ‐ 30 seconds or more producing broad band RFI with no peaks and 100Hz modulation. This may be heard on a number of HF and/or VHF bands. The most common source is a faulty gas central heating boiler thermostat and it is likely to be worse in winter. The arcing may occur at every 5 ‐ 20 minutes although in some cases it could be as often as two or three times per minute.....Intruder alarm systems normally contain a microprocessor and can radiate signals from the wiring to the sensors on the HF and/or VHF bands. As they normally use a ceramic resonator, the harmonics drift slightly..... Digital electronic devices, can radiate narrow band signals on certain frequencies such as harmonics of the clock frequency and may also produce broad band signals. Such sources include NICAM decoders and other digital electronics in TV sets, video recorders and satellite receivers/decoders. Many of these devices are connected to long cables which can radiate RFI on HF bands as well as VHF...Many modern cable television systems use vision carriers from 128MHz upwards on multiples of 8MHz although some frequencies such as 144.000MHz are not normally used. The street cabinets normally contain a switch‐mode power supply which may produce detectable emissions on the HF bands due to common‐mode signals conducted along the coaxial cables....
Fax machines contain a microprocessor which runs continuously. If a computer is connected to a modem, this can allow RFI from the computer to be radiated via the telephone line. If the modem can receive fax or voice calls, the owner may leave the computer running all the time. If a telephone subscriber has an ISDN (Integrated Services Digital Network) line, the line carries 90V DC which powers a switch‐mode power supply in the customer's premises. Some types of ISDN equipment at the customer's premises can produce RFI when a call is in progress. Businesses and even some homes may have their own internal telephone exchange or PABX. Some types can produce RFI on the HF and VHF bands.....If the RFI is strongest under telephone lines or close to a telephone pole, the source could be one of the items mentioned above but in many cases, it is something completely unrelated to the telephone system. If anything feeds RFI onto the mains in a house, this can be coupled onto telephone wires via the mains transformer of any mains powered telephone equipment such as an answering machine or a cordless phone...Table lamps with a touch‐operated switch which turns the lamp on and off and selects several levels of brightness. They contain a sawtooth oscillator which operates continuously and
produce emissions which are similar to an SMPS but with a fundamental frequency of around 190kHz....The super‐regenerative receivers for some 173MHz remote‐controlled garage door openers manufactured in the late 1980s radiate broad band noise on 430‐440MHz. They can also receive VHF radio paging and rebroadcast it at a number of frequencies on the 430‐440 MHz band!!!!........Electronic water conditioners are claimed to reduce deposition of lime scale. Some types such as the "Water King" and "Water Imp" use a sequence of audio frequency tones which have harmonics up to 28MHz in some cases....Overhead power cables can radiate broad band noise. High voltage cables always produce a certain amount of RFI due to corona discharge from the cable itself but RFI can be greatly increased due to arcing at a faulty insulator, in which case, the level of RFI may reduce in dry weather..(Add to this the transformers can become faulty & radiate RF over a several mile radius via the wires.).....
The above are just those known to cause problems due to unintentional RF radiation to amateurs..It is not a full list of RF sources & other known sources not listed include Solar power systems fitted to buildings.
As you will see some of these known sources are time specific, for example street lighting would not be found during a daytime check of EMF's. While Solar panels would disapear at night & other sources, such as TV's BT home hubs & Switch Mode Power Supplies(SMPS) may only be used for irregular periods. As an example of this I know an amateur who had a real problem tracking down his problem as it was a SMPS used on a business laptop that was only very occasionally used in a close by home during the evening or weekends, but when it was it shut down the whole of High Frequency (Short Wave) for him.
The whole area of EMF is a mine field for even the knowledgeable, so the fact that someone can spend a few pounds on a EMF meter & then claim it as a legitimate & scientific tool is little more than a joke as they have no knowledge of what they are measuring or what the reading they are getting relates to.
Using an EMF meter to measure an unknown emission is not scientific, it's not even guess work, it's totally pointless.

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

D B Electromagnetic energy causes brain frequency confusion.
Its logged as a cause of anxiety and stress.
Wooo! Nice big post, "but I had the biggest".
We did the E.M.F meter banter in another line of conversation I think.
Cause and effect, if it documents a result in conjunction with meta testing.
Use it.
If it offers interesting results in comparison with other equipment
Use is.
If we stop using equipment because known science says it won't work, we won't advance known science.
If I get interesting results by use of a coat hanger stuffed in a bowl soup, I'll use it. Its all about what appears to work. There are no definates.
Even if an E.M.F meter doesn't work, it may lead to a line of enquiry which may do. Horses for courses.
But thankyou for the time it took to input the note. Smile

D B Sweeney · Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:25 am Post subject:

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

I'll dive back into the books and check out the E.M.
It is all up in the air to be honest.
http://www.who.int/peh-emf/about/WhatisEMF/en/index1.html
No there is nothing positive as far as proof is conserned for the argument that
Spirits use E.M.F as a means to manifestation or that it could be a bi product of such an action. But saying that its is universaly documented that during apparant episodes of interaction or psychical interaction the E.M.F levels and readings have been effected in some way either directly or in directly.
Thankyou for you coments D B.
But I do have reason to use E.M.F meters in conjunction with other equipment and
would advice others also to use them, but please learn about them first, its not ghost radar lol.