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Agentscott
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I seriously doubt that explanation.
I seriously think that these were orange/white orb type UFO's that get spotted apsolotly all over the place now. There was witnesses discribing just that.
Now forget Wikki explantions and read this...
http://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/ufo-government5.htm
So they were scrambling fighters ey just for what the mirages might do. |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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| thecactus wrote: | | Well lets put it this way - do you think there is anything unusual about this case ie: all the sightings, USAF actions etc..? |
No, because the facts have been distorted in the telling and the re-telling over the years. If you research it properly you'll find an alternative, more logical explanation. Don't keep asking me to serve it up to you on a plate - read, research and look at the other side of the coin.
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thecactus
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| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Agentscott, also this was a massive case. If they were alien - the obvious theory that comes to my mind would be that they were literally 'sightseeing' the capital of the most powerful nation in the world and home to the most powerful man in the world (President USA) |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| thecactus wrote: | | Agentscott, also this was a massive case. If they were alien - the obvious theory that comes to my mind would be that they were literally 'sightseeing' the capital of the most powerful nation in the world and home to the most powerful man in the world (President USA) |
Have you checked to see how many people actually saw these alien tourists? 
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thecactus
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| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| DB I know this was major; look at wikipedia: White House concern and the "shoot-down" order. |
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Agentscott
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| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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There was witnesses and also they scrambled fighters that were taunted.
That might have been the day they made the deal. |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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| thecactus wrote: | | DB I know this was major; look at wikipedia: White House concern and the "shoot-down" order. |
You scoffed at Wikipedia a few weeks ago 
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Agentscott wrote: | There was witnesses and also they scrambled fighters that were taunted.
That might have been the day they made the deal. |
Can you elaborate on that?. How were the fighters taunted and what deal was made with who?.
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Agentscott
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| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| If you read the link I just put up then that will explane the first and the second is the speculated deal they might have cut with the grey aliens. Tech for catle to beam in and abduction rights. |
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thecactus
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| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| D B Sweeney wrote: | | thecactus wrote: | | DB I know this was major; look at wikipedia: White House concern and the "shoot-down" order. |
You scoffed at Wikipedia a few weeks ago
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But these events are fact -
The sightings of July 26–27 also made front-page headlines, and even led President Harry Truman to personally call Capt. Ruppelt and ask for an explanation of the sightings. Ruppelt, remembering the conversation he had with Capt. James, told the President that the sightings might have been caused by temperature inversion, in which a layer of warm, moist air covers a layer of cool, dry air closer to the ground. This condition can cause radar signals to bend and give false returns. However, Ruppelt had not yet interviewed any of the witnesses or conducted a formal investigation (Michaels, 22).
CIA historian Gerald Haines, in his 1997 history of the CIA's involvement with UFOs, also mentions Truman's concern. "A massive buildup of sightings over the United States in 1952, especially in July, alarmed the Truman administration. On 19 and 20 July, radar scopes at Washington National Airport and Andrews Air Force Base tracked mysterious blips. On 27 July, the blips reappeared."
White House concern may possibly have resulted in an order to shoot down the UFOs, reported in various International News Service (INS) stories on July 29, 1952. E.g., one such story reported that "jet pilots have been placed on a 24-hour nationwide 'alert against the flying saucers' with orders to 'shoot them down' if they ignore orders to land." An Air Force public information officer, Lt. Col. Moncel Monte, confirmed the directive stating, "The jet pilots are, and have been, under orders to investigate unidentified objects and to shoot them down if they can't talk them down." It was further stated that no pilot had been able to get close enough to take a shot at a “flying saucer”, as the objects would disappear or speed away as soon as an interceptor approached, sometimes outflying their pilots by “as much as a thousand miles an hour.”
However, in seeming contradiction to the admitted “shoot-down” order, Air Force headquarters also put out statements that the unidentified flying objects were no threat to the United States and not controlled by “a reasoning body.”
Some public protests resulted, including telegrams and letters to the White House stating that the policy was dangerous if the UFOs were controlled by extraterrestrial beings, who would obviously be much more technologically advanced than humans |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Agentscott wrote: | | If you read the link I just put up then that will explane the first and the second is the speculated deal they might have cut with the grey aliens. Tech for catle to beam in and abduction rights. |
That link contains unsubstantiated speculation that, at best, has a grain of truth and at worst is pure fantasy.
I've read all about this - 20 years ago and counting. The black helicopters, the cattle mutilations, the human/alien hybrid programme and I've actually done my homework on it and looked beyond the bullsh*t. Much of it is very very convincing until you're prepared to dig beneath the surface. I was taken in by it for years and like you Agentscott argued my beliefs in UFOs etc (there wasn't an internet then) in pubs and with friends. But eventually you have to get a balance, a perspective that forces you to question why you believe and to look at why sceptics are...sceptics.
I'm a sceptic that used to be a believer. There are worse sceptics that never believed.
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Agentscott
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| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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| If you cant beat them join them. |
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thecactus
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| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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D B Sweeney,
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But eventually you have to get a balance, a perspective that forces you to question why you believe and to look at why sceptics are...sceptics.
I'm a sceptic that used to be a believer. There are worse sceptics that never believed.
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Approaching the paranormal from a research perspective is often difficult because of the lack of acceptable physical evidence from most of the purported phenomena. By definition, the paranormal does not conform to conventional expectations of the natural. Therefore, a phenomenon cannot be confirmed as paranormal using the scientific method because, if it was, it would no longer fit the definition. Despite this contradiction, studies on the paranormal are periodically conducted by researchers from various disciplines. |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Agentscott wrote: | | If you cant beat them join them. |
Which is worse though - a gullible believer who accepts everything at face value and doesn't even consider realistic alternative rational explanations or an open minded, well informed sceptic who will look at all the evidence using logic and known science before he or she will advance an opinion?.
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thecactus
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| D B Sweeney wrote: | | Agentscott wrote: | | If you cant beat them join them. |
Which is worse though - a gullible believer who accepts everything at face value and doesn't even consider realistic alternative rational explanations or an open minded, well informed sceptic who will look at all the evidence using logic and known science before he or she will advance an opinion?.
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See above 
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