Interesting situation?

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

:TRUE STORY:
"I went to Pindale farm, hearing it was apparantly haunted. But it was the usual stuff, white lady, dark entity etc...so I decided to do an experiment and invent a haunting to find out if a belief structure could produce an actual haunting. So I wondered off around the place and ended up in the engine house. Right I thought, I'll make up a story about children haunting this room and see what un-folds. Well all went well for some time and surly enough I began to get reports from people about children been seen in there during the night, I hadn't told anyone what I had invented it and I was indeed shocked to hear the reports. Could it be that all hauntings were just people imaginations embedded into a place and replayed to other people? Well time went by and one day I recieved a call from a guy in Scotland who had seen the advert for Pindale ghost hunt in the paper. He told me all about the place and that he had lived there many years before. He then told me about the ghosts there. The male energy which wonders the yards, the elemental up the track and Yes he told me about the haunting children in the engine house! He did not know what I did and he had personaly experienced the children almost 40 years before! I hadn't invented the haunting, the children had embedded it into me and I just thought I had. It propper creaped me out! Now that was weird."
The interesting bit is, did the guy some how find out about the haunting story, though I can't imagine how? or by producing a haunting had I changed history and caused the guy to experience it years before the story was invented so as to produce the activity later?
or had the energy of the children actualy embedded the thought into my head or was I experiencing a haunting and picking up on a haunting invented many years before the guy himself experienced it? Or was there something been produced through environmental factors within that room which gave people the impression of a particular situation. Brain frequency embedded information, so anyone who goes into that place would experience the same phenomena. If so could anyone of the above situations be an explanation for general hauntings?

D B Sweeney · Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:06 am Post subject:

Great topic Iain, thanks for raising it Smile

What and who is the source of the 'True Story' you quote from your website?. A quick search of the web doesn't seem to throw up any haunting history for Pindale Farm.

DB

flossy · Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:23 am Post subject:

interesting story there Iain
i think maybe thats why people should do the research after an investigation to find out what the hauntings are Confused

im not sure if that would work though as i dont do investigations so im not not sure how it works Rolling Eyes

but if i did i dont think i would want to know what is haunting the place and see what happens Wink

KiloCharlie · Joined: 27 Oct 2011 Posts: 47

A TV programme did a similar thing, but also created a website that gave the details, to allow research to be done prior to the investigation. The details of the alleged haunting given by the alleged psychic investigator that called in, exactly match that given on the website. When challenged, the alleged psychic claimed what they had picked up, was the thought form of the story & that it was not as a result of any online research prior to the alleged investigation.
Sadly the programme produces had not separated the story teller from the location. And the buildings owner was part of what was happening. So although it would be safe to refer to everything as possible. It was not a good challenge, that either proved sensitivity to the made up story or the presence of fraud in the investigation.
Maybe thats the answer, separate everything, build in faults to help to add to that separation. Change the address slightly, give the map reference & make it slightly wrong. Alter the description of the room layout very slightly so that it cannot be built in anyone's mind accurately.

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

All points taken on board and will now be made clear. Thankyou for the imput.
I visited Pindale farm many years ago while an outdoor instructor, I was party to some very odd occurances back then within the main building which sort of freaked a lot of people out.
I left and forgot about it untill I produced my company and thought it would make a great place to run an event.
I spoke to the owner and discussed the option and he said that local folklaw did offer apparant hauntings at the location, but he had never experienced anything, but he had had many reports from people who lodged there of weird things happening.
I then got a freind to pop around the local area and to document local stories.
I did not want to know them and he would not repeat them.
I then took a walk around the environment and decided the best areas to use. I did not not know at the time about the male entity outside or the woman in room 1, and wondered into the engine house. Its then that I decided to come up with an experiment Id seen in parapsychology paper work. To embbed a haunting.
I decided while there what it would be and how it would manifest and at what time etc and I DID NOT TELL ANYONE!
I then left the building and began to hear stories from people who had stopped at the farm about children seen in the engine house building, which to my knowledge had nothing to do with children it used to be a pupping station and then a place to bake pots. It is now a bunk house with a kitchen. To look at it I can see no reason why anyone one think of children been conected to that place? Anyway
I ran my event and nothing was documented in there except the sound of little feet running around i the upstairs kitchen and bangs and knocks in the room where the investigators were. Not enough to be conclusive. So I left it.
But still reports came in of people seeing children in the middle of the night in there and faces been seen in the windows. Even mediums who had no prior knowledge were picking up on children??? I figured I had done it! I had invented a haunting. But still I did not document it as I had personaly not collected evidence of the said haunting for myself and I do not logg earsay or personal experiences.
One day while sorting gear out at home, I recieved a phone call from a guy in Scotland who had seen my web site. He said he used to live at the farn house when he was yound and was amazed to see that we were there running an event! He told me about the history of the buildings and what it was like many years ago. He than went on to tell me about the folk law of the hauntings and to my suprise spoke about the children in the engine house! I had not posted it onto the web at all... and this was before I put out the video or the new event advertising. He said he has seen the children in the windows and had seen a child in the upstairs area of the building which was at that time run down.
I have no idea what has happened? I went in there with no prior knowledge of the haunting and no one told the guys about it who asked about folklaw. In other words he had no way of knowing about the haunting that I had invented, it was safe inside my head.
It could be one of many theories which have allowed this situation to occure and I will continue to look into it. Plus I will be going back and have arranged for 8 people to sleep in the engine house, I wonder what they will see? But if those children are haunting that engine house, at least now they have some people to play with who know they are there.
I achieved something. As for a reson for children to be there, the area has a history of mining for Blue John and children were used in the mines all the time, the plot is on the sight of heavy mining.

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

P.S I see there are fermal imaging cameras advertised here lol...
IN PARANORMAL INVESTIGATION THEY ARE NO USE OTHER THAN TO FIND DRAFTS!
An expensive draft finder, use your hand lol.
If people are going to buy gadgets, by relevant ones .

flossy · Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:18 am Post subject:

wow maybe the children beat you at your own trick and gave you that info about them being there themselves some how Confused

either that or it was a massive coincidence lol

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

Yes, I believe Ive been used! lol violated psychically...
If it is a coincidence Im going to call the guy back for the lottery numbers lol.
Something very odd went off there? I love it.
At least the kids will like me now Smile

Maybe I should ask them for the lottery numbers?

flossy · Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:43 am Post subject:

hey its worth a try Laughing

D B Sweeney · Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:45 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the backstory Iain. Would you agree or disagree that children are likely to be associated with many buildings, particularly older industrial ones?.

DB

Ghostfan Tom · Joined: 17 Oct 2010 Posts: 7

D B Sweeney · Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:18 am Post subject:

Thermal imaging cameras can only 'see' temperature variations on people (the flesh and blood kind) and objects, they won't detect localised areas of moving/stationary cold air so Iain is correct that they are little or no use in the detection of anomalous phenomenon.

http://www.thermalimagingcamera.org/basics-of-thermal-imaging/

DB

Agentscott · Joined: 08 Feb 2011 Posts: 1042 Location: Essex

Oh, I thouight they might be usefull, what if you have a paranormal cool patch, couldn't that device prove that there is an unexplaned temprature phenomina present?

D B Sweeney · Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:24 pm Post subject:

Ghostfan Tom · Joined: 17 Oct 2010 Posts: 7