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DooM · Joined: 05 Sep 2008 Posts: 49

I had took a picture once in the living room. It showed a bright white 'figure' bending sideways into the picture as if 'trying' to get caught in the frame. It seemed to look female but the face was alien like. Big bug eyes but humanoid.

Also another picture taken outside in a different location completely showed a bright white light in the top corner of the picture. I' m not sure what this is either ? The sun wasn't out from what I can remember as it was in Wales (lol) & overcast/wet.

Only other picture I ever remember containing a ghost of somekind was at another house. The picture of me had a window in the background to my side. Outside the window was a drop as it was 2nd floor up & it was dark outside. Only me & the person taking the pic were in the room with no TV on at the time. In the pic there is a definate face of a man which looks like he's laughing with a bald head, beard & bushy eyebrows - almost like a scottish kind of looking man or viking - that sort of appearance. The second face is very strange more alien looking. Although it seems female, no hair, big eyes wide open mouth as if screaming. Like the famous painting with that face that has a big mouth looking like it's screaming.

DooM · Joined: 05 Sep 2008 Posts: 49

Oh also I would do EVP but I'm scared about attracting demons, etc. I wouldn't know what to ask either ?

bitterbuck1 · Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject:

Doom, I'm sure mrx3010 would be able to answer any questions you have on recording EVP's.
He can probably give you an idea also of what questions to ask that they (spirits/ghosts) may answer more willingly to than others.
It's worth a try, give it a go.

You can also PM (private message) him if you would rather.

mrx3010 · Joined: 18 Nov 2006 Posts: 579

Sure ask what ever you want, and yes you can PM me as well. As for attracting demons etc. That's probably unlikely. You need to understand a bit of what is more likely and what is a product of over imagination, religious dogma, and Hollywood. All of those factors can contribute to how a phenomena is interpreted and thus how a phenomena will be received by a individual or community. If you are going to try an EVP my advice is this, just ask simple questions and explain how it will work. Wait about 5-10 minutes before asking the next question. "If you have something to say speak into this device." Then ask a few questions. You need to remember that intelligent entities can interact with you and it can be very hard for them to do this. I see a lot of "ghost hunters" giving bad advice about provoking a spirit to answer, this is IMO not needed and shows you have no respect for an entity. Treat them as you would a live individual and you will likely get more responses from them.

bitterbuck1 · Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject:

In a couple of paranormal/ghost hunting shows I have seen them succumb to provoking the spirits.
It does make sense to treat them as we would a living being.

No doubt the spirits react by giving them the cold shoulder. Laughing

Yeah, bad joke. Embarassed

YB · Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:03 pm Post subject:

Why wouldn't you. After all, all but demons have had a body and walked the earth, why would you treat them any differently?

mrx3010 · Joined: 18 Nov 2006 Posts: 579

Now if it is in fact a demonic that is a whole different story IMO. In short I don't mess with those. Sometimes it's hard for some to differentiate between a demonic and just a malevolent intelligent haunting.

bitterbuck1 · Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:15 am Post subject:

mrx3010 · Joined: 18 Nov 2006 Posts: 579

One of the biggest problems facing serious research efforts is religious dogma. Now don't get me wrong, I believe there are legitimate demonic incidents and safeguard needed, but not every "haunting" can be attributed to the "forces of evil" and thus sprinkling holy water will do little aside from getting everything wet. The problem is that this science is relatively new. Until a few years ago only a small group of lab researchers and hobbyists (who made there own equipment) had access to real lab grade measuring devices and there was no real methodology involved in investigations much less a defined roster of what entities were encountered.

Based on what we do know today, lets redefine our list of suspects.

Today ghosts generally fall into several categories;
Intelligent, Residuals, Demonic, Poltergeist (RSPK)

We can narrow these phenomena down even further.

Intelligent Phenomena may include:
Demonic, extra-dimensional, elemental

These can be confused as demonic, the big difference is that demonic tend to be very malicious and proud of the fear they induce. They also respond to and recite religious dogma on occasions.

A typical "intelligent" haunt may just interact "hello can you hear me?" "Why are you hear", even "Leave me alone" These are not malicious or threatening but simply a way to communicate between the realities. Demonic on the other hand, are reported as very malicious, causing problems for the homeowners, terrifying children and on rare occasions possessing an individual.

Personally I don't believe that most "ghosts" have what it takes to pull off a possession. Think about it, the next time you watch any investigation show, if there is a battery drain or a super cold spot recorded you can almost bet there will be an interaction (something moving an EVP, etc). I think this is because intelligent ghosts want to make contact with us at times if for no other reason than to say "We are still here." Problem is it requires power (available energy) to do this. In other words it cost way to much.

A demon on the other hand could care less about chatting, they seem to have extreme anger issues, they have no need to drain batteries, they are essentially living creatures in another dimension that can bleed into ours at times. They may be captured on film and EVP at times. They may also gravitate to natural power centers and "live" off of the energy in that spot having no need for any other source ever. In short, they probably wont follow you home unless they know you live on a Ley line. However I also believe that these demonic can be a by product of past human interference and failed communication (rituals etc). In other words someone opened a door without knowing anything about how to close it. but it is rare IMO to run across one of these and they make up a small percentage of so called intelligent haunts.

Can you open that door by simply investigating? Not as long as you are really investigating, using real equipment and methodologies, not (ouija boards, candles and mediums) These IMO cause a majority of the "demonic" hunting's that I have heard of. I always advise not to treat spirits with disrespect this can also lead to a negative experience which may be confused as a "demonic" haunt.

Also you may find that extra dimensional contact can be confused with both ghost and/or demonic activity and may in fact be neither.

bitterbuck1 · Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject:

mrx3010 · Joined: 18 Nov 2006 Posts: 579

Ley lines are the lines of intersection that some ancient sites such as stonehenge are thought to be built upon. Some theorize the ancients mapped out areas of energy and placed markers on these spots. It is suggested that certain monuments are in direct alignment with each other and that these lines of energy circle the globe. Some researchers have walked these lines with dowsing rods, and meters and reported unusual findings. Some believe that all or most ancient monuments were built upon these lines either for power sources or simply because there was something different that the builders sensed about the sights. In Native American lore there are many legends of sacred caves, it is thought that certain caves were used by shamans and witches alike because of the invisible power contained within them.
Skeptics say the lines are a simple example of humans trying to connect dots and make order of disorder. Others still say the lines are simply underground rivers and streams and that this may be what is being detected. If this is the case then it is possible that a small amount of power may emanate from such a source as running water will cut and/or distort the magnetic field around it.

bitterbuck1 · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject:

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YB · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject:

Interesting read MRX. Thanks for posting..
Doom.. we always love pictures here :)

mrx3010 · Joined: 18 Nov 2006 Posts: 579

"I wonder if it was a magnetic field or something similar that was wrecking havoc on their bodies? "

Exactly, the ancients seemed to be able to hone in on these "fields" though they prob never knew what they actually were, they did leave markers on occasion. Good find, and did you take any pics in the cave?