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mailorderchild
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 Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:16 am Post subject: Paranormal Shows |
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When I moved to the UK I'd never seen a show about the paranormal. My husband showed me Most Haunted, and I was like.. omg people do this stuff? I quickly realized it was lame.. staged.. crap! Lol!
When I went home to visit my Mom in Iowa in 2006 there was this show on Sci Fi. Ghost Hunters. I thought these guys were pretty cool. They seem to go about things in a very professional manor. Then, they also started staging things. Making me wonder if any of it was real proof.
The one show that really hasn't let me down is Paranormal State. I love this show. I don't know what it is. Paranormal State doesn't focus on the investigators. Very rarely do they go.. oh Ryan is annoyed I'm gunna get kicked out of the team because I unplugged a DVR yadda yadda yadda.
Does anybody else like/love this show?
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thecactus
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:46 am Post subject: |
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I've never watched paranormal state before so I will have to check it out - I agree with you about them other ghost hunting shows being a load of crap - Ghost Adventurers is probably the best of them and even it isn't great  |
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D B Sweeney
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I stopped watching Ghost Hunting/Monster Hunting shows after about season three of Least Haunted. All shows like this are slaves to audience figures and advertising revenues. The need to have 'things' happen regularly enough to fill a 30/60 minute programme is at odds with the very boring process of scientific paranormal investigation which nearly always finds a rational explanation for various supernatural phenomenon.
Hence they have to create, imagine, over hype and sadly, fake occurrences in order to give the network a half decent episode.
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mailorderchild
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Cactus!
Paranormal State has 5 seasons. They cover mainly ghosts and such but they do investigations on other things. They did one on The Mothman, The Jersey Devil, various little goblin thingies. They did an hour long episode with a girl who was supposedly possessed. It is a very decent show. If you have Bio it's on every Thursday night. *nodnodnod* :)
DB Sweeney, Ghost Hunters was alright for me till they did a live show at some fort and they blatantly faked things. Grant was walking around with his hand down his pocket then all of a sudden his hood gets pulled down, then it happens again. He obviously had some kinda string leading from his pocket to the inside of his hood. They had a recorder playing things like YOU DON'T BELONG HERE, then they'll say... WHAT WAS THAT?! .. YOU DON'T BELONG HERE. |
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thecactus
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:59 am Post subject: |
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mailorderchild, I think I saw that episode of ghost hunters you were talking about 
yeah I have bio and have seen paranormal state on but for some reason just never watched it lol I think I just assumed it would be no good and I always have too much recorded stuff to watch on sky+ but I will give it a look now that you said it's good |
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mailorderchild
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Cactus, Every Thursday night they do a Psychic Thursday thing. Recently they've been showing new Celebrity Ghost Stories, My Ghost Story, and some old-ish episodes of Paranormal State. My Ghost Story is .. okay. Some people have pictures and video evidence that is 90% crap but.. I'm a sucker for ghost stories. :)
I don't know how I survived without my V+ box. I record tons of documentaries and stuff. Lol! |
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thecactus
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| You are the same as me - I love true ghost story shows over investigations anyday. Another documentary you have probably seen but thought I'd tell you incase you haven't - The Enfeild Poltergeist - It is one of the most famous cases and has baffled sceptics. |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| thecactus wrote: | | You are the same as me - I love true ghost story shows over investigations anyday. Another documentary you have probably seen but thought I'd tell you incase you haven't - The Enfeild Poltergeist - It is one of the most famous cases and has baffled sceptics. |
It's not baffled me that much.
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thecactus
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| D B Sweeney, It has been considered physically impossible for a person to speak with their false vocal chords for even half as long as Janice did. |
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D B Sweeney
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| thecactus wrote: | | D B Sweeney, It has been considered physically impossible for a person to speak with their false vocal chords for even half as long as Janice did. |
That's debatable Cactus. If you listen to the vocalisations produced by Janet of the alleged 'Bill' entity they are indistinguishable from the popular form of singing in the Death Metal genre.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_growl
To suggest that the Enfield case is either a hoax or a ghost is a false dichotomy. There may very well have been an as yet unknown natural force, but the details are almost all anecdotal with no recorded video footage, some relatively poor quality sound recordings and only a few vague photos to show for it. Easily hoaxable. So in this case, it is most likely a hoax. But we cannot know for sure with the existing details. Both Maurice Grosse and Janet herself have admitted that some of the phenomenon were faked but it's claimed the majority of the poltergeist activity was supposedly genuine.
I'm sceptical (obviously  ) but admit that this is a very interesting case that will always be a good topic for debate.
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thecactus
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| Well personally I believe this case is real - have you ever seen any footage of Janet now - she is still a nervous mess because of what happened. |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| thecactus wrote: | | Well personally I believe this case is real - have you ever seen any footage of Janet now - she is still a nervous mess because of what happened. |
I also believe the case is real, that's not up for debate. The question is whether some of the phenomenon was the work of a discarnate entity?.
It's not commonly known that nobody was allowed in the same room as Janet and her sister when they were speaking in the gruff 'old man's voice' that was supposedly possessing them or that the lights had to be out before any knocking started.
Eventually one researcher, Anita Gregory was allowed in the room to ask questions of 'Bill' but only on condition that she faced the bedroom door and had her head covered with the children's dressing gowns.
I'd have to ask if this was genuine paranormal activity why the darkened room, the exclusions and the conditions?.
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Source:Will Storr vs The Supernatural. Ebury Press 2006. |
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thecactus
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:15 am Post subject: |
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hmmmm I had never heard any of that before 
What about the reporter that got a lego brick threw at him by an invisible force? |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:24 am Post subject: |
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| thecactus wrote: | hmmmm I had never heard any of that before
What about the reporter that got a lego brick threw at him by an invisible force? |
Just because he didn't see who threw it doesn't mean it was thrown by a poltergeist. A proportion of the evidence in the Enfield case is not what it seems.
Anita Gregory (the researcher) claims to have interviewed WPC Carolyn Heeps, the Police Officer who saw the chair move who told Gregory that she believed it was the children playing tricks. She also records a comment made to her by the neighbour Peggy Nottingham
on Jan 15th 1978 who said that what was going on was "pure nonsense" and it was "kept going by the investigators".
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thecactus
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| Well we do know that the children did fake some things and that was just like handing the cynics ammunition, but that was just children being stupid IMO and does not mean that the original activity was real. I have only watched the documentaries and read bits and bobs about the case - I haven't read through every snippet of information on it so I can't argue it. Also my own judgement of the people involved when being interviewed etc... they didn't seem mentally unstable or didn't seem to benefit from the whole thing. |
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