Positive or negative ions?

PrivateParanormal · Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 9 Location: Preston

Hi all, i just want someone to fill me in on this whole positive and negative ion thing?
I've read that people say, alot of paranormal occurrences happen when there is a thunder storm, which produces negative ions.
Tho i read in the first issue of parazine, that on an investigation they used positive ions to saturate a room...

Would you not use negative ions, so you basically mimic a storm state???

I'm asking because i'm quite interested in buying a ion emitter, although the one i've found says it emits negative ions not positive(http://www.phantomlites.com/ION-Generator-IONGen.htm)
Could someone please inform me in to which is the actual suitable emitter??? Thanks Very Happy

D B Sweeney · Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:32 pm Post subject:

Hi PP,

I've no idea and am very sceptical of any equipment that claims to detect ghosts. I think our member Iain will be able to advise you though.

DB

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

There is a theory that energys utilise negative ions in order to assist manifestation in conjunction with electromagnetic energy. It is also a theory that electromagnetic energy is a by-product of said manifestation...but during events of documented manifestation the ion count has been documented to rise. negative Ions are positively charged atoms, which would explain why the negative ion count would rise at the time of raised emf levels within an environment. But this situation in conjunction with other energy fluctuations has been accounted to portal activity, where a portal opens and the environmental levels between both environments are mixed, causeing the fluctuation ie, Temp, ion, air pressure, EMF, gieger etc People have come to believe that by enpowering the environment with negative ions, it gives that environment more productive ability to assist a manifestation, people also attempt to raise the EMF levels etc.
So what do I believe?
I beleive that if you wish for a manifestation to take place, simply leave that environment alone. If there has been documented activity there before, then the envoronmental factors should be perfect for said activity. Whats the point of changing the place? If you want more negative ions...open a window! Negative ions are abundent in fresh air, its stuffy places which are laden with possitive ions.. So my advice to you privateparanormal would be to save your money and spend it on more productive documentation equipment. Put it in an environment and walk away and leave it. Later pick it back up and see what you have documented? People are too quick to force activity, paranormal investigation is a waiting game.. take the time, gain the knowledge and you WILL get results. Keep up the good work and good luck.
Here is a list of my equipment if it will help.

Audio
1,Parabolic listening device. (connected to headphones) (Assists with audio anomily location)

2, 2x Olympus VN-480pc dictaphone. (Old but I seem to get Audio voice phenomena recordings from this dictaphone)

3, Tape format dictaphone linked to pre-amped boom microphone and headphones for real time documented recording and listening.

4, Zoom H2, Four chanel, high quality E.V.P. (Almost 360 degrea recording.) 24 wav format.

5, Zoom H1, Sterio dictaphone. 24 wav format. (crossed over mics, true sterio recording)

Photographic;

1, Finepix S5800 digital camera. 9mp.

2, Olympus zoom weatherproof 35mm film camera, useing TMY 400 asa black and white film.

3, Samsung 12.5 mp digital camera.

Video
1, 3x Sony ccd-TR640E pal Infrared 8mm tape video camera's,with a Sony IR-Light HVL-IRM fitted and high power I.R lights. All set up for static observation recording and connected to flat screen monitors in the van.

2, Full spectrum video camera.

3, Oregon scientific action cam, running on internal 4gb memory card. For light recording conditions. (ideal for watching equipment readings during an investigation)

Environmental;
1,2x Precision gold N18FR Temprature and humidity metre. (in sensor array)

2, Tri-field Meter, 100xe.E.M.F (These do not detect ghosts! We use them to assess as to whether the EMF levels are high enough as to cause mental confusing conditions which may lead a person to believe an environment is haunted. Anything over 3mg can be a problem as it interferes with natural brain frequencys.) (in sensor array).

3, Recta, DP2 Compass. (For use with Tri-field meter. To alocate magnetic north) (in sensor array)

4, x2 Laser Grids. ( Not proven, yet highly interesting piece of equipment)

5, Ultraviolet/Black light.

6, Barometric watch. (air pressure has been documented to variate during paranormal episodes) (in sensor array)

Other equipment 1, Walkie talkie's, Motorola TLKR-T7 =

+Twin talk 4710dcp . (all on the same frequency.)

2, Infrared beam barriers 2 sets of. (these have been said to sound there alarm when events occure. We use them to ensure no-one enters a sealed off area.)

3, Candle lanterns, plus church candles and a supply of other candles and lighters/matchers. (By using softer natural light, we attempt to improve the persons natural night vision - rods-. Remember when we look into blackness our eyes strain, this takes away consentration from the other senses.
By using nautral soft light allow the person to remain relaxed and in turn gain more from all the senses!)
Can I also point out here that peripheral vision can sence more Infrared and Ultraviolet frequency's than central vision.

4, Clip boards, pens, pencils and digital watches etc. (Used to produce time lines. We can document pockets of activity by applying personal experiences to media and tech equipment time documentation.
Time lines give us a multi-dimentional picture of the entire investigation. Once collated we can place every piece of equipment and person to a particular point at the time of any given unusual activity to cut down on the chances of media/investigator polution and and or un-explainable energy reading.)

6, Full up to date FIRST AID BAG!

( Can I point out that equipment such as laser thermometers and F.L.I.R cameras,are no use other than recording the surface temperatures of an object!

They are DESIGNED to ignore ambient energy! YOU WILL NOT LOCATE ELECTRICAL OR HEAT AMBIENT ENERGY'S WITH THIS EQUIPMENT.)

SO WE DON'T USE THEM ...

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

Hope this helps..

thecactus · Joined: 07 Mar 2011 Posts: 3196 Location: Northern Ireland

Iain I know you look at this subject from a scientific perspective, but do you not think these manifestations are caused by the will of the spirits/entities? Or do you avoid the psychology aspect?

I just asked this because I noticed you always refer to energies etc.

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

We sit on the fence as far as the psychological thing goes pal. The word energys refers to both as the same thing. The energy we refer to as spirit energy "is as far as I am conserned" is the same as energy referd to through scientific terms. The fact that the two are looked upon as different things by the spiritual world and the scientific world holds to interest to me. The situation appears to be that we are documenting what appear to be audio/photographic and video evidence as well as scientificaly based un expected energy fluctuations upon scientic equipment, within area's which have been related to psychical and anomalous activity. The interesting part is finding the conections.
Hope this helps pal.. we are open minded about both meanings and attempt to find a happy conection.

thecactus · Joined: 07 Mar 2011 Posts: 3196 Location: Northern Ireland

I do like your outlook and perspective on this - people out there who claim to know all the answers on this subject have no credibility IMO - and there are plenty; demonologists etc...

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

To be tunnel visioned is to blind ones own sense of truth.

PrivateParanormal · Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 9 Location: Preston

Yeah understand what your saying Iain, i defo sit on the fence with alot of things but i stay open to any possibility's.
I like to try the scientific view and the psychic view..but if i can dismiss something as a noise or something like that then i allways will, because a good 90% of the time it is something logical..
At the minute, the equipment i'm using is as follows:
sony DCR-SR52 camcorder
olympus VN-5500 & VN-7600
k2 meter
vivitar 9mega pixel camera
got a ovilus x on the way in the post
and am buying a EM pump this week to help with EVP's.
I really want a full spectrum and infra red camera, just gotta wait till funds come through.

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

Thats cool, but rather than the K2 you'd be better with either a gauss meter or a Tri-field natural meter.
Not sure about the ovilus x, not something Id go for but thats me. Its important to get the best basic equipment before moving into alternative gear. You need to document the environment first, then input energy based equipment in order to back up those findings.
So audio/ video, infrared and full spectrum and photographic first. The EMF, barrametric, Temp and humidity equipment to enforce documented phenomena. Then don't for get you writen time lines of events. Fancy gadgets don't find ghosts, so keep it basic pal. One last thing, Store ALL youe evidence and produce a meta analysis database of ALL documented data and evidence. Then check it all in a couple of years and you will find many comparisons. Its the only way to get an over view. Hope this helps.
Iain.

PrivateParanormal · Joined: 02 Jul 2011 Posts: 9 Location: Preston

sound man, thanks for the advice, im hoping to get a natural tri-field meter, because i know k2's can be easily set of by other electronic devices ect..what exactly do u mean by 'meta analysis database'? with timelines i usualy go over analysis and if caught something at certain time, work out the time period from when started recording on equipment.

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

It is important to document everything during an investigation. The best method for this is a time line. All the equipment will be set to the excact same time and so must the watch connected to the time line board. Once the investigation begins the time is called out in order to document the start point upon audio/ video equipment. From that point all events and personal experiences should be logged to the time line including the Time, where it happened, what equipment you were using, You name(if sharing a board). This documented timeline can then be applied to the over all over view of documented and recorded data during the investigation. Equipment findings should be recorded to a disc or hard drive and the written time line/s should be logged away and compiled within a file system.
Meta analysis is when many many documented files and data recordings are compiled together in order to produce an over view of a greater amount of information documented and saved over a matter of years. Close examination can reveal links and repeated events within the documented information. Once this is compiled it offers you/us a better view of the subject which can be shared with others in order to assist in future investigations. The scientific community use this method of research compulation all the time. It works.
I hope this helps. For more info on Meta- analysis write it up into google search and you will find lots of information.
I hope this helps.
Iain.