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nikki09
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 Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:42 pm Post subject: Quija Board |
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Hey everyone
Is the Quija Board safe???
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twinks
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nikki09
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Me and my friends did one once and my god it worked, we had my friend and her dad come through. My friend was killed in a car accident and her dad commited sucicide but the thing is they told us how safe they were and also they were happy. Is there certain prayers you need to say before doing them??
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damaralenoire
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I woul;d like to give my honest answer here and say Yes, A Quija board is completely safe. most of the bad stories you here comes down to people having no respect what so ever or people taking on mentally something they have seen or heard as urban legends and therefore allows their minds to create something which is not or never happen.
When I say this, I mean you hear stories of people who say I did the Quija board the other day with my mates and ever since we keep seeing things and things are moving. Probably not true, They just THINK that is happening because their mind expects those things to happen.
Quija is all about communication with the dead, and I have done this succesfully many times. What people need to learn or understand principlally is that Quija is not about the devil (If it exists) and its not about contacting evil spirits etc. Although I would prefer the term spirit board because Quija board is more related to what is a big selling toy by Parker Brothers, Quija is a form of communication with the spirit world just like Seances, Calling out, The act of knocking, Automatic writing, and EVP.
The reason why people say that Quija is dangerous is not because of the activity in itself, cos all forms of communication can be scary if not done with respect. But Quija actually spells words out to you, it can spell names etc. And it can be more daunting having the answers clearly shown to you. where as Knocking and calling out would need the answers jsutifying. EVP the answers have to be analyse and scrutinised and tested and run through software etc, and automatic writing, Well once again even though is does offer the prosects of spelling words out to you clearly. It doesn't every time i have participated int his or witnessed it, We can never make out exactly what was written or drawn.
What would you find more scary though to be honest, I have been with people where we have doen the act of knocking and then in response to the questions asked mysterious knocking answers come back. That scares me more than a group of peoples hands all on the same glass moving on a spirit board. but like i said, it can be done sensibly with a group of people you trust to be honest and not move the glass on purpose and not try to forceably scare everyone. Have clear intentions mentally what you want to achieve. Honour the act of what you are doing. Always open the session sensible and close the session sensible, be greatful for your answers , speak calmly, dont demand answers, understand that the spirit you are talking to may not want to be bothered. And also dont expect something to happen every time. |
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YB
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| I receptively disagree. Those boards can open a path to things you may not be able to deal with no matter how innocently they are used. Just my opinion |
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twinks
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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ummmm.....
well i tend to agree with both of your views to a certain dregree.
but the majority of people who admit they dont know anything about them should not be doing it or be present when it is.
they should researsch it all first and be with some strong minded person who has done it before all sucessfully and no mishaps and not just be playing about for the thril of it all. they need to be serious , its not a game.
i agree its just another tool, but its so out in the opne to the general public from films and such like most people have some idea of what to do, whereas they other tools are not so out in the open and are portraid into the belief that special people with gifts are able to use them, where as the board is for anybody. thats how i think the board come as across to the public.
if people decide to play with it and do not know what they are doing it can cause mishaps.
as with all tools it opens up the doors. people playing do not realise this and have no idea how to close the doors or be even aware that something has come through that hasnt gone back.
obvioulsy if people "know" what they are doing, good for them. but then i feel you need to really know all the people sitting there with their fingers on the glass, and no one should be depressed or pshyco or under the influence of prescribed mind altering and un prescribed mind altering drugs or alcohol.
so i tend to say "dont touch them or be with people who are playing with it" just to make sure.
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damaralenoire
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Its normally the ones who want to do it as a party trick or use it as a social gathering.
I have no sympathy for those who get it wrong and dont know what they are dabbling with |
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Solstice Moon
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| At the end of the day, it's just wood and ink. It's not dangerous in itself, it's people who misuse it that cause the danger |
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bitterbuck1
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I don't want to see any harm on anyone who uses the board.
If they know how to use it or not. |
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andyw
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I agree with damaralenoire on this one. If you protect yourselves properly and are respectfull then everything should be ok.
Most Haunted have been doing it for years and they are all ok still (If what they do is for real!!!- thats a whole other can of worms!! LOL) |
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authenticity
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| YB wrote: | | Those boards can open a path to things you may not be able to deal with no matter how innocently they are used. |
Hi,
Can I ask why you believe this please?
I know some believe that although the board itself isn't dangerous the form of communication is, but I don't understand this because essentially all anyone is doing is asking questions. How is this different from going into any alleged haunted location and calling out?
I am also aware that some believe that only the spirits from a 'lower astral plane' can be contacted through a ouija board but there is no evidence for this.
An ouija board, or the materials used to make one are either wood, glass, paper, ink etc. There is nothing at all sinister or dangerous about these items.
I personally believe that the only danger is in those taking part who are of a gullible nature who convince themselves that something bad will happen, those of a mischievous nature who like to manipulate the situation or those of a negative and emotional state influencing (subconsciously or otherwise) the results.
Ouija, dowsing, auto writing etc all involve a person or people touching the glass/pen/rods/planchette.
Involuntary muscle movements in the fingers can cause whatever is in contact with them to move. These movements are called electro magnetic impulses. This is how people are thought to be able to find water. The dowsing rods themselves have no special powers, but moving water can sometimes cause electricity to flow, and this in turn can be picked up by and influence those impulses in our bodies subconsciously telling us where the water is. Of course you also have those who push the glass etc deliberately.
If someone could show a ouija/glass moving session where the glass/planchette moved of it's own accord then this would be worth monitoring and experimenting with.
Something from Wiki: *Users subconsciously direct the path of the triangle to produce a word that is in that person's subconscious thought process. This subconscious behavior is known as ideomotor action, a term coined by William Carpenter in 1882. It is also known as automatism. Some people may be convinced that the "powers" of the ouija board are real because they are unaware that they are in fact moving the piece and therefore assume that the piece must be moving due to some other "spiritual force". The subconscious thought process may produce an answer that is different from what the user expected in their conscious thought process—thus perpetuating the idea that the board has "mystical powers". Penn & Teller: Bullshit! episode on Ouija Boards, ran an experiment using unbiased participants. Questions were being asked to the late William Frawley with very strong answers. The participants were then blindfolded and the board was turned 180 degrees without their knowledge. With continued questioning, the planchette then traveled to bare areas of the board where the participants believed the "Yes" and "No" marks were located.*
I have been witness to a 'successful' ouija board session and then asked the participants to be blindfolded and suddenly the ouija session became un-successful. Even though those participating in the session were convinced they were not affecting the planchette, subconsciously they may well have been.
Some might say that spirits have to use the eyes of the person/persons taking part to see the letters and move the planchette, but if this were the case surely you'd have ghosts roaming about all over the place not knowing where they were going? Maybe this is why ghosts go 'bump' in the night??
I am an open minded sceptic, as you can probably tell, and I am open to suggestion or ideas about the paranormal, but ultimately am after evidence or proof of said claims.
Sorry, I digress.
Going back to the original question, no I don't personally think that every day household objects are dangerous, nor do I think that any form of spirit communication is, but I do believe that some people who carry out such exercises can scare themselves and others un-necessarily.
I know some will jump on me and say they have received information from ouija sessions that no one participating has known, I would in return say unless you can catagorically say you trust everyone at the session implicitly you can never be sure and also you would have to bare in mind the possibility of coincidence or luck.
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YB
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| You are right, the board is just cardboard and plastic, it is what one can open up that I find to be Leary of. Demons are known to tell you what you want to hear and use it against you. You have no idea who or what you may be communicating with. I believe it opens portals for things that are best left silent. Just my opinion. |
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Solstice Moon
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| YB wrote: | | Demons are known to tell you what you want to hear and use it against you. |
Out of interest, what is a Demon? |
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YB
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Demons are fallen angels under the command of Satan |
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Solstice Moon
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| YB wrote: | | Demons are fallen angels under the command of Satan |
No. Demons are fallen angels under the command of Satan in the opinion of a Christian
I'm not a Christian, I have a completely different view of what "God" is, and the same goes for Angels. As for Satan, I see him as an invention of the Judaeo Christian belief system. I do believe there are entities of a less than savoury nature, but I hate the emotional word "Demons"
Mind you, I do find this the difficulty when religion and the paranormal meet, it's hard to keep an open mind when you passionately believe in something. |
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