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Agentscott



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well I dont know any personally by name but I beleive they a know as referees. They look at your final paper and decide if it's printable in the journals available today.

So what we have is a system that works a bit like Wikkipedia.
Anything unwanted will be discarded or dissallowed.
That is controling what makes it public.
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thecactus



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
It is true that mainstream science can be manipulated - some examples with economic reasons include: for years cigarettes were proven by the top scientists not to damage health, just as mobile phones are proven not to give people brain tumors, in contradiction to many other scientists research, but how often is that mentioned?
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Agentscott wrote:
Well I dont know any personally by name but I beleive they a know as referees. They look at your final paper and decide if it's printable in the journals available today.

So what we have is a system that works a bit like Wikkipedia.
Anything unwanted will be discarded or dissallowed.
That is controling what makes it public.


It doesn't work quite like that.

http://www.senseaboutscience.org/pages/peer-review.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review

DB
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
thecactus wrote:
It is true that mainstream science can be manipulated - some examples with economic reasons include: for years cigarettes were proven by the top scientists not to damage health, just as mobile phones are proven not to give people brain tumors, in contradiction to many other scientists research, but how often is that mentioned?


Scientists in the employ of Cigarette manufacturers Cactus. There were also medical experts at the time who said that cigarettes were damaging to health. Don't tar science because of a few bad apples.

DB
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thecactus



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
D B Sweeney, it's the same today with mobile phones for example - they are not employed by the companies, the companies just give leading scientists in oxbridge or other leading institutions generous grants and probably nice christmas presents (I've heard of one case were a scientist was given 90,000 pound to give his expert opinion in court for one day by a mobile phone company in which he said they don't cause cancer)

All in all, I think agentscott has a point here.
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Dee Bunquer



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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It doesn't work quite like that.

http://www.senseaboutscience.org/pages/peer-review.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review

DB

I see nothing there that contradicts the assertion.
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dee Bunquer wrote:
Quote:
It doesn't work quite like that.

http://www.senseaboutscience.org/pages/peer-review.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review

DB

I see nothing there that contradicts the assertion.


It doesn't work quite like he said.

DB
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Agentscott



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I couldn't find anything any different either???
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Dee Bunquer



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
D B Sweeney wrote:

It doesn't work quite like he said.

DB

Yes you said that, but how do you claim it is different?
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Agentscott



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Debunq, I rekkon DB must be refering to the bit where the referees get the secret look from their boss(the super referee) and it's either yes or no.
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dee Bunquer wrote:
D B Sweeney wrote:

It doesn't work quite like he said.

DB

Yes you said that, but how do you claim it is different?



Anything unwanted will be discarded or dissallowed.


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thecactus



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Maybe Iain has went to this Sheffield forum to battle Laughing
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D B Sweeney



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
thecactus wrote:
Maybe Iain has went to this Sheffield forum to battle Laughing


I think Iain has gone for the time being. Maybe he'll come back...who knows. Either way he's a loss to the site and I find it sad that he's gone due to a simple misunderstanding on his part.

DB
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flossy
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
he'll always be welcome if he he decides to come back
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bitterbuck1
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
flossy wrote:
he'll always be welcome if he he decides to come back


Agreed.
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