Simple but interesting concept.

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

If I look at an object,
am I observing that object due to external influences offering that information to my sences and am I then percieving that information via receptors within my brain, which give me a concept of atomic reality?
or
is the information been percieved by me at a personal level as a thought process which allows existance to exist for me as a sole entity?
or
Is the information simply fluctuating around us and interacting with us as energys, which offers a constantly variable information source which we share with other energys, which all interact within that fluctuating environment to acheive social interactions.
or
Do you have any more concepts you would like to interject? I have a few more.
Maybe we can all interact with this and produce new ones?
The possibilies are endless. Please feel free to get involved Smile

D B Sweeney

thecactus · Joined: 07 Mar 2011 Posts: 3196 Location: Northern Ireland

maybe

possibly

idk

Very Happy

D B Sweeney · Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:43 pm Post subject:

Is there any other reality than the one we're born into and experience?.

DB

KiloCharlie · Joined: 27 Oct 2011 Posts: 47

Iain, I could be wrong as it's a few years since I have read his works, but I think Alastair Crowley used something very similar to get his students thinking about perception?
I know he used colour & said we do not see colour but a vibration & got them to see symbolism in everything, he liked to use nursery rhymes to prove that people who look for symbolism can find it in anything, not because it is there, but because if you study enough you can find a link in even the most innocuous word or statement.

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

This is good! Keep going.
and Thankyou for likening me to the amazing mind of Alastair Crowley, He was a bit odd, but a great brain. lol.

carlos2010 · Joined: 23 Oct 2010 Posts: 288

Let me throw this at you Iain, not sure if its good, bad, right or wrong,

If your sat in a room on a chair, looking at a wall or, as I am now, a computer, how do you know that what is behind you exists?

You cant see it, yet you can only see it if you turn round but you then loose sight of another side of the room, which raises the question again, does it exist.

Probably the best example I can give is the headlamps on a car, you can only see where the beam of light shines.

Throw it in the bin, laugh, cry, mock or agree, just thought id throw it out there.

thecactus · Joined: 07 Mar 2011 Posts: 3196 Location: Northern Ireland

carlos2010, then nothing exists for blind people? Confused

Just because you can't see it - you can still hear it, feel it, smell it and taste it

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

Carlos, you have just explained the concept of quantum theory. If a person isn't observing something then it exists has electrical information. If they observe it, it becomes atomical.
Its a good model to explain the concept that
existance is percieved and experienced through intent and perception.
This theory shares the same ingredients as digital process theory, where people believe we are all just part of the processed information within the massive computer. All performing mundane jobs and aspiring to things with no understanding of why are what we are, but part of a larger process. Just like the electrical interactions within a computer.
We think we know so much, but in fact know very little in comparason to the larger picture.
Good observation though thanks for that.
You have an open mind, good to see.

carlos2010 · Joined: 23 Oct 2010 Posts: 288

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

Very true. I think also it is the concept of belief and directed intent.
It's a weird one.
It was found that when a atom was observed via tech equipment such as microscopes, the atom kept turning up in unexpected places? and appeared to disapear entirly and then reapear somewhere else. Yet when an atom is documented via electric devices it showed as a wave form? Strange situation. So it appeared to the atomic world when observed was a mass of atoms all bopping about and yet when observed by electronic equipment became a frequency. Which is indeed odd and a great subject matter.

KiloCharlie · Joined: 27 Oct 2011 Posts: 47

Carlos..I use to do caving & in a emergency, safe practice is to have all helmet lights turned off for X amount of time & then one turned on for 5 minutes. The reason is in a cave scenario there is no light at all & thus your eyes do not adjust. So there is just a nothingness all the time. I'm told that what happens if you don't do the above is that your mind makes up things for you too see, after a few hours. I once abseiled through a small hole in a small passage into a massive cavern. As I descended the rope, the walls were so far away my light could not see them & I also lost sight of the top of the cavern before I could see the floor. It's a truly amazing experience, sitting on a rope in free air, with nothing but a rope for perspective, it gives a sense of total freedom. I sat on that rope for a minute or two & felt so free, it really is a great experience.

Iain Lawrence · Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 419

I too was a caving instructor in Derbyshire dowm Carleswalk and P8 Jackpot, Mud holes and Giants.
I can relate very well to what you say and it does indeed give a feeling of free floating. I have also done night jumps in the Millitary which when looking down into the dark of night while falling gives a massive feeling of nothingness and the expance of soace. Made me feel very small.. Sometimes it is hard to put these theorys into practice and I think being put in extreme situations can be a excelent waik up call.

thecactus · Joined: 07 Mar 2011 Posts: 3196 Location: Northern Ireland

Iain Lawrence, I would love to do a feew night jumps - I have done a lot of jumps myself - definitely the biggest adrenaline rush IMO

I might try caving at some point, but I'm sure you need a lot of training

KiloCharlie · Joined: 27 Oct 2011 Posts: 47

Casctus. The YHA do some very good training weekends for climbing, caving & all sorts & at good prices with guaranteed training standards & no membership needed, just a few pounds more if you are not. And I believe Giants that Iain mentioned, is one of the caves that you can do as a complete novice, if you go to YHA Eyam, near Sheffield. It's a good one too, lots of water, lots of squeezes, even a nice long passage filled with fast flowing water, with only about 6 inches of air on top, that's just tall enough for you can crawl through. I use to know one of the local cave rescue guys & one of the YHA instructors was also a member. I have also done a few free fall jumps, some climbing & some motorcycle racing. But I have to say caving is the best it gets as there are just so many minutes more fun per day, than with anything else.
Coincidently Iain. I think I'm correct in thinking Giants has a small cave you can climb up to & then abseil back into the massive cave, I also think it links up with a second cave via a mud filled passage. Scrambled Eggs?

Edited to add. I also seem to remember Giants has a great high level traverse along a narrow passage & the possibility of either a fall & becoming wedged half way down or a 50 foot plus fall & hitting the fast flowing river below.