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D B Sweeney
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| willfromthehill wrote: | | Hello DB i deliberatley left out the side road as i thought you would bring it up. It is too acute for a bus to turn 320 degrees in one go and infact if the bus did turn into this road it would have took that long i would have had to stop to allow it to turn. If you ve got street view on google map place the man on the road and you will be able to get a ground level view. Once you see the layout of the land you will see it would be impossable to have turned a bus round in the time it took me to get their. Remember i was about 300m from the spot and traveling at around 40 mph.The bus would have had to turn and drive out of view in seconds. So that leaves 2 possabilitie 1 What we saw was the fastest bus in the world driven by the greatest bus driver of all time. Or 2 What we both saw was a bus dissapear. |
Can you explain where you were and where the bus was using Google maps?.
Thanks.
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willfromthehill
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow Jeepers David Icke is describing very very similar views to what i think.The thing is can we discover the right frequency to contact the other side. The more you think about it the more plausable it seems. |
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willfromthehill
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| OK DB looking at the map or better if you can satilite picture of the area. The bus was on the start of the s bend at the east end edge of the village heading east.So staying on the road which bends to the left straightens for a few meters then bends to the right just before a side road joins. I was on the straight piece of road heading west towards the bus coming in the opposite direction.If i can i will try and post a diagram to show you. |
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Agentscott
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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I beleieve you Will, this sounds to much of a coincidence.
I must admit DB's theory that it just turned off is quite good but this isn't about whats likley or not.
I beleive ghosts can also be objects, say the driver was a ghost, then he needs a ghost bus to drive around in.
Buildings can be seen ect even funeral prossesions including the hurse can be glimpsed by the lucky or ghostly horse and carts.
Contact the bus depot and ask them if they had a bus in the area at that time and if it went down DB's lane. |
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thecactus
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I believe you too Will, because someone who I completely trust saw something similar. |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| willfromthehill wrote: | | OK DB looking at the map or better if you can satilite picture of the area. The bus was on the start of the s bend at the east end edge of the village heading east.So staying on the road which bends to the left straightens for a few meters then bends to the right just before a side road joins. I was on the straight piece of road heading west towards the bus coming in the opposite direction.If i can i will try and post a diagram to show you. |
Thanks for that but which house/houses would have briefly obscured the Bus?.
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Agentscott wrote: |
Contact the bus depot and ask them if they had a bus in the area at that time and if it went down DB's lane. |
If it was a very old looking Bus it may not have been one operated by the local pubic transport provider - could have been privately owned.
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willfromthehill
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| I think you are missing the point here DB.You are saying the bus just turned off the road. For the bus to turn off the road. The only way it could have done that. It would have had to make a 320 degree turn on a very acute slip road. It is impossable for it to have done this turn without having to move over to my side of the road to even atempt this turn by which time i would have been at the same spot and would have had to give way to allow him to try to make the turn.What you also should know is the main road rises away from the slip road so the ground is not level so you can't cut the corner. I went back to this turn many times in my car and you have to move into the right hand lane to swing round. The junction is mainly used for cars joining the road heading east or cars leaving the main road heading west. To work it out you would have to calculate how long it would take a car traveling at 40 mph to go 300 m and how long it would take a bus to make a 320 degree turn then drive 100m out of sight for us not to see it again. The bus would have had to do this in a much shorter time.I can guess that when you work it out the bus would still be trying to make the turn as i got to the same point.Infact if you work out the distance the bus had to drive its almost identical distance. Only the bus had to negotiate a bend to the right and if turning off the road would be slowing down. It is impossable that the car and bus would not have passed each other. |
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willfromthehill
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| Agentscott wrote: | I beleieve you Will, this sounds to much of a coincidence.
I must admit DB's theory that it just turned off is quite good but this isn't about whats likley or not.
I beleive ghosts can also be objects, say the driver was a ghost, then he needs a ghost bus to drive around in.
Buildings can be seen ect even funeral prossesions including the hurse can be glimpsed by the lucky or ghostly horse and carts.
Contact the bus depot and ask them if they had a bus in the area at that time and if it went down DB's lane. |
Thanks for the reply Agent . Their is a possability that the bus would be a pit bus taking miners to first shift 3am start. This will also tie into the old looking bus. As these buses were always older buses.But still does not explain why it dissapeared. The pit bus would not have turned off the road and should have passed me coming the other way. |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| willfromthehill wrote: | | I think you are missing the point here DB.You are saying the bus just turned off the road. For the bus to turn off the road. The only way it could have done that. It would have had to make a 320 degree turn on a very acute slip road. It is impossable for it to have done this turn without having to move over to my side of the road to even atempt this turn by which time i would have been at the same spot and would have had to give way to allow him to try to make the turn.What you also should know is the main road rises away from the slip road so the ground is not level so you can't cut the corner. I went back to this turn many times in my car and you have to move into the right hand lane to swing round. The junction is mainly used for cars joining the road heading east or cars leaving the main road heading west. To work it out you would have to calculate how long it would take a car traveling at 40 mph to go 300 m and how long it would take a bus to make a 320 degree turn then drive 100m out of sight for us not to see it again. The bus would have had to do this in a much shorter time.I can guess that when you work it out the bus would still be trying to make the turn as i got to the same point.Infact if you work out the distance the bus had to drive its almost identical distance. Only the bus had to negotiate a bend to the right and if turning off the road would be slowing down. It is impossable that the car and bus would not have passed each other. |
I'm saying that one explanation is that the Bus turned off the road. I'm not saying this is what definitely happened. Several factors come into play when you're relating this story from memory - one very important thing to consider is that your recollection of this event HAS changed over time, that IMO, is a given. We also have to consider the circumstances - that it was dark and you were coming home after a long shift at work. Those are just a few things that will affect your perception of events then and your memory of them now. Going back to my earlier point and being logical - there is no known process known to science wherein people or objects can return from the past or from 'the dead' or materialise and de-materialise BUT there are well understood cognitive processes that provide a better, more rational, realistic explanation for what you saw that night all those years ago.
I'm just pointing out that the known offers a better answer than the unknown - I'm not saying you didn't see what you claim you saw.
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willfromthehill
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:43 am Post subject: |
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Their is no known process. Two hundred years ago their was no know process known to science for radio or television. Just because you dont know does not mean it is impossable. Its up to you as a researcher to investigate all the possabilities and not try to disprove the facts you have been given to work with.
What most sceptics do is try disprove what they cant understand maybe its because they do not have the intelligence to realise logic is just someones opinions and logic changes as we discover new things. The world is flat, Manned flight is impossable and send music and pictures through the air being some of the things sceptics have came out with. |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| willfromthehill wrote: | Their is no known process. Two hundred years ago their was no know process known to science for radio or television. Just because you dont know does not mean it is impossable. Its up to you as a researcher to investigate all the possabilities and not try to disprove the facts you have been given to work with.
What most sceptics do is try disprove what they cant understand maybe its because they do not have the intelligence to realise logic is just someones opinions and logic changes as we discover new things. The world is flat, Manned flight is impossable and send music and pictures through the air being some of the things sceptics have came out with. |
That's a classic logical fallacy Will. It's known as the argument to ignorance.
http://www.skepdic.com/ignorance.html
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willfromthehill
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| Skepdic.com says it all. Thank the people who think out of the box. Those who challange the logic those with minds to explore and discover. Life is to short to waste time even giving skepdic.com a glance. I have heard it all before what they dont understand they dismiss.I have witnessed at first hand things these people say cant happen.A world run by Skepdics would have a lower civilisation than the cave man. You use the not known to science argument. Well their is alot of science we have yet to discover.Their are also theories that have been given to skeptics but suprise suprise they dismiss it has not being logical. |
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Agentscott
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:35 am Post subject: |
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I agree again will skeptics/debunkers are bound by their very own books. Waiting for things to be allowed and offical or not beleiving it.
As a major witness of multiple UFO's(over the years) I just trusted my insincts and anyones insticts dont lie. |
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D B Sweeney
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| willfromthehill wrote: | | Skepdic.com says it all. Thank the people who think out of the box. Those who challange the logic those with minds to explore and discover. Life is to short to waste time even giving skepdic.com a glance. I have heard it all before what they dont understand they dismiss.I have witnessed at first hand things these people say cant happen.A world run by Skepdics would have a lower civilisation than the cave man. You use the not known to science argument. Well their is alot of science we have yet to discover.Their are also theories that have been given to skeptics but suprise suprise they dismiss it has not being logical. |
The logical fallacy point is not just something dreamed up by sceptic.com. It's a universally recognised flaw in reasoning Will.
If you bury your head in the sand and aren't willing to see the other side of the coin because it's being presented by 'sceptics' then unfortunately that's your loss.
Maybe you did see a ghost bus, I'm not ruling that out but as I've been at pains to point out - your memory is not perfect and there's no known scientific theory that says buses can do what you claim that bus did.
DB
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance |
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