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D B Sweeney
Joined: 27 Aug 2010 Posts: 2842 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:50 am Post subject: Why fake footage hurts. |
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YouTube, it's a great source of entertainment that attracts the weird, the talented and those desperate for attention, recognition and approval. Tens of thousands of video clips claim to show show ghosts, bigfoot, UFOs, aliens, lake monsters and poltergeist activity which going by their sheer number would suggest that the planet is positively teeming with strange creatures, ET's and beings from beyond. But we know from experience that is just not the case. Most of us don't have much regular contact with 'the paranormal' unless we perceive every light in the sky, every shadow on a wall or every bump in the night as proof that we're 'not alone'. The majority of clips that claim to show 'the paranormal' are quite obviously fakes that don't take a forensic digital analysis to see that they are poorly executed, deliberate attempts to hoodwink the viewer. In recent years YouTube has attracted highly competent digital production experts who post some very professional composite images - again purporting to show paranormal activity which appears literally 'too good to be true' and often is.
Is there anything inherently wrong with creating a fake ghost, ufo, Bigfoot and passing it off to the world as the real deal?, "Where's the harm?" some will say.
Passing off fake footage harms the serious researchers who have devoted years and sometimes entire careers to serious study. By posting visual lies the water is muddied and the work of the serious researcher is made more difficult because there is more chaff than wheat - ambiguous footage can throw researchers off on a wild goose chase, diverting their efforts from cases that are genuine much like a psychic whose 'insights' are taken seriously by the Police can hinder a murder or kidnap investigation. Fake YouTube videos also contribute and shore up the pseudoscientific, irrational and downright cooky beliefs of those that sit at the very fringes of reasonable debate (we've all seen them on the forums) - adding fuel to their illogical, unsupported and often downright bizarre claims.
Fabricated footage which is passed off as genuine harms the impressionable - children, teenagers and those with limited cognitive abilities who may not be able to make a distinction between what is real and what is not. I know from experience that so called 'ghost/demon' videos posted online have had adverse effects on both children and vulnerable people with fragile mental states. Then again I've seen people genuinely disturbed by certain passages in the bible, news footage, movies and some of the 'acts' on the X-Factor.
Creativity, story telling and fantasy are fine - YouTube is a great way to share our visual creative skills as long as we take some responsibility for the consequences of what we put online and don't make a point of claiming something is genuine when we know full well it's the product of wires, lights, costumes, models and digital manipulation.
It harms the truth, it sidetracks serious research, it damages credibility and maintains the perception that anyone who believes in the paranormal is a bit weird, it adversely affects beliefs, it negatively influences the vulnerable and it probably helps any clandestine agencies who, like Karl Marx, regard such people as 'useful idiots'.
DB
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thecactus
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:21 am Post subject: |
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I agree |
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flossy Moderator
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:33 am Post subject: |
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very well said DB |
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bitterbuck1 Moderator
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:18 am Post subject: |
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I concur. |
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Iain Lawrence
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:36 am Post subject: |
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thecactus
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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Iain Lawrence, I agreed that people who purposefully fake footage and pass it off as real is bad, but I don't believe that is what you do by investigating and posting the footage. |
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Iain Lawrence
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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A paranormal forum which stands in judgment of what is paranormal and what is not.
People put footage of all kinds on youtube, some rubbish/some good. But to take away the freedom of the subject through objective interaction verbaly is VERY wrong. People have to learn what is real and what is rubbish, its part of the structure of learning. Without the crap, people would not know what is real.
I stand for free input of information.
For availablity of media of all kinds
and the choices of everyone to apply there own oppinions to that information without input from people who appear to see there selves as
special and in a position to judge.
I have never judged a piece of media, I merely observe-apply my own theoretics-take what is available to me-walk away. If you can't be pro-active, don't be active.
I'm outa here. |
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flossy Moderator
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:51 am Post subject: |
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thecactus wrote: | Iain Lawrence, I agreed that people who purposefully fake footage and pass it off as real is bad, but I don't believe that is what you do by investigating and posting the footage. |
i couldnt agree more |
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D B Sweeney
Joined: 27 Aug 2010 Posts: 2842 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:51 am Post subject: |
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Iain Lawrence wrote: | A paranormal forum which stands in judgment of what is paranormal and what is not.
People put footage of all kinds on youtube, some rubbish/some good. But to take away the freedom of the subject through objective interaction verbaly is VERY wrong. People have to learn what is real and what is rubbish, its part of the structure of learning. Without the crap, people would not know what is real.
I stand for free input of information.
For availablity of media of all kinds
and the choices of everyone to apply there own oppinions to that information without input from people who appear to see there selves as
special and in a position to judge.
I have never judged a piece of media, I merely observe-apply my own theoretics-take what is available to me-walk away. If you can't be pro-active, don't be active.
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Iain, you seem to have seriously misunderstood the nature of my post and taken it personally when no such intent was intended.
If you look at the post it is a criticism of those that deliberately fake paranormal phenomenon and post it to sites such as YouTube claiming that it's real. Nowhere in my post do I suggest that internet video sites cannot be used as a visual forum for debate and the publication of footage that may or may not show anomalous phenomenon. Just because most of the members on here aren't out actively investigating locations that have some evidence for being haunted doesn't mean their opinions on the subject aren't valid or are inferior. I count myself as a member whose involvement in field research ended long ago for the simple reason that the results were subjectively interpreted and open to personal bias.
IMO this forum doesn't judge anyone since the forum does not have that power. What does happen is that members have their own opinions which may be seen as 'judgements' but these are the views of individual members which other members may or may not agree with. No one person has overriding power to judge who is right or who is wrong and the forum certainly takes no sides as far as my experience goes.
People who create and post fake ghost footage on the internet do serious harm to researchers such as yourself by demeaning your credibility and in effect tarring you with their brush - that was the whole point of my post and others simply agreed.
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thecactus
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:36 am Post subject: |
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flossy, cheers
Hows it going flossy - what are you at these days? |
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bitterbuck1 Moderator
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:34 am Post subject: |
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flossy Moderator
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:46 am Post subject: |
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thecactus wrote: | flossy, cheers
Hows it going flossy - what are you at these days? |
going good cactus, hows things with you?
@Iain, i dont believe DB ment to offend you by this post |
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thecactus
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:32 am Post subject: |
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I can't complain either |
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bitterbuck1 Moderator
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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flossy wrote: | thecactus wrote: | flossy, cheers
Hows it going flossy - what are you at these days? |
going good cactus, hows things with you?
@Iain, i dont believe DB ment to offend you by this post |
I agree Flossy, I didn't read it as DB offending anyone on this forum. |
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D B Sweeney
Joined: 27 Aug 2010 Posts: 2842 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:30 am Post subject: |
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bitterbuck1 wrote: | flossy wrote: | thecactus wrote: | flossy, cheers
Hows it going flossy - what are you at these days? |
going good cactus, hows things with you?
@Iain, i dont believe DB ment to offend you by this post |
I agree Flossy, I didn't read it as DB offending anyone on this forum. |
As I've clearly stated, my post was not aimed at anyone on here, or anyone in particular. It's sad that it's been taken the wrong way and we've lost a valuable member but I'm not apologising, or justifying my post beyond what I've done already.
Iain is an experienced, intelligent bloke who I hope will see things in their true context.
DB |
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