THE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN SOUL

HENUT-TEPY · Joined: 20 May 2011 Posts: 79 Location: ENGLAND

The Ancient Egyptians believed a human consisted of these elements:-

Khat - physical body, which could only be preserved by mummification.

Ren - personal name. Had to be spoken to ensure immortality. It was believed to contain power that could be used against an individual in magical incantations. Egyptians feared the Ren being erased. This is what happened with Queen Hatshepsut's.

Sekhem - life energy. Possibly related to the position an individual had in life.

Ka - creative power (intellectual and spiritual)/life-force. Created on a potter’s wheel by the ram-heated creator-god Khunum as an individual’s ‘double’ (dopple-ganger).

Dependent on the heart [Hati (physical one) and Ab/Ib (spiritual one)], and the mouth (Ren), functioning via both.

The Ka continues after death. It has all human memories and emotions. And received the food and drink offerings left in a tomb. Depicted as raised arms, a magical gesture to ward off evil.

Ba - soul/personality. The higher-self. Basically the Ba inhabits the Ka, while the Ka inhabits the Khat. Leaves body at death. Thought to re-unite with the Ka after death to become a transfigured spirit (Akhu; depicted as a mummy). It was believed the Ba and Khat had to re-unite every two weeks to survive for eternity. The Ba was depicted as a human-headed hawk.

Khu - the spirit/immortal essence, dwelling in the Sahu, habitation of the soul.

Khaybet/Khaibit - shadow, and depicted as such. Believed to be able to leave the body at will. And reside in Khemnu (Hermopolis), meaning the City of Eight. This is where the Ogdoad (eight primordial deities) dwelt.

Also known as the ‘Dweller of the Threshold‘, the Khaybet was the darker side of human nature (thoughts, feelings, emotions; hidden secrets and desires ). Literally the shadow-self. There were ‘Cults of the Shadow’, small and secretive groups who explored this.

Agentscott · Joined: 08 Feb 2011 Posts: 1042 Location: Essex

Egypt certenly is a very interesting subject, there is much they could teach us. Personally I beleive thes ancients were living a more advanced life than we are now.(i suspect they had a little help with the pyrimids) They also aresupposed to have links to the afterlife and posibly maybe had a connection with ET's. Their knolage was spun into a legend and the bible was made up with some of that in mind.

HENUT-TEPY · Joined: 20 May 2011 Posts: 79 Location: ENGLAND

Egypt is a real passion of mine. I think they were advanced for their time. Their calendar and knowledge of maths was beyond what an ancient civilization needed merely to function, I'm sure. But I think the pyramids were purely human-made, without 'outside assistance'.

They were a very organised people, and their rigid hierarchy and belief system certainly helped with this. Together with their knowledge of astronomy and geometry [they had Pi before Pythagoras, and knew about the Golden Mean/Section].

Though I do find it odd, that if pyramids were meant to be tombs, why some pharaohs built more than one. Sneferu, I think, constructed three. And all that stone used to house the body and treasures of one man for eternity? Seems rather excessive, not to mention overly time consuming and expensive (manpower and money).

Another strange thing - why were the earlier pyramids better constructed than the later ones? Is it possible Egyptologists have got the chronology of their building wrong? The pyramids left more questions than answers....

Agentscott · Joined: 08 Feb 2011 Posts: 1042 Location: Essex

Agreed, the pyrimids may have been built without any help but those blocks had to be hauled a hell of a way!

I suppose the are a bit of a waste of space but the pharoes, well especially the earlier ones were very rich and powerfull. Back then people were more sesepable to the idea of accending to be a god and living under almost magical rule.
It was said that the spinx was builts to honor this new god who did accend from the great pyrimid and he may well be depicted in the sphinx's head.

thecactus · Joined: 07 Mar 2011 Posts: 3196 Location: Northern Ireland

HENUT-TEPY, I wouldn't rule out that the ancient Egyptians had contact with ETs; I'm not saying I believe that 100% but it is possible. There are loads of ancient hieroglyphs that appear to show saucer type UFOs and Aliens etc... and also their advanced society etc...

Although if they did have contact, to what degree is very debatable.

HENUT-TEPY · Joined: 20 May 2011 Posts: 79 Location: ENGLAND

They were indeed, Agentscott. Khufu and Khafre in particular were supposed to have been very wealthy and powerful indeed. And being god-kings, like all ancient rulers seem to have been, helps too! Mind you, I wouldn't have like people to depend on me to make the Sun rise and the crops grow! Wink

I don't suppose there will ever be agreement on exactly how the pyramids were built. Or for what purpose. It would seem such a waste if they were just tombs. If they were built with some kind of ramp, then surely that would have contained more material than the pyramid itself Exclamation

And when the pyramid was completed, where did it all go Question

They were, if Bauval and Hancock are right, some kind of soul-star-gate, 'projecting' a pharoah's spirit to the heavens. Or maybe a 'star-map' of Orion. Chances are, we'll never know, unless, by chance, some document or text is found, explaining everything. Smile

HENUT-TEPY · Joined: 20 May 2011 Posts: 79 Location: ENGLAND

Some will claim that Egyptian picture-writing conceals an 'advanced technology', Cactus. There are some very strange hieroglyphs at the Temple of Hathor at Dendera that look like lightbulbs. And some of the images from the Books of the Dead are curious indeed. Some look like rockets.

The Winged Solar Disc appears in a number of ancient cultures. But only the Persians depicted humans in it. And apparently manipulating pedals and levers. The Egyptian version seems to be shooting flames, like afterburners, and have a landing gear. This clearly inspired the makers of the film 'Stargate' in the fighter aircraft design. And those helmets in the 'Battlestar Galactica' series did look rather like pharaonic headdresses... . Food for thought, indeed. On that note, I'm going to make dinner Exclamation

Agentscott · Joined: 08 Feb 2011 Posts: 1042 Location: Essex

Hi Henut-tepy,
You certenly sound like quite the expert to me.
A star map sounds right though and I suspect that the pyrimid also had light running all the way through it with mirrors. Would they live in it though?

One thing, if the pharo did assend I wonder if the robing of his stuff, gold and riches has ruined his chance at eternal life as a god. They even moved his mummy!

Are you interested in any other ancient cultures or just paticualy fond of the Egytions?

HENUT-TEPY · Joined: 20 May 2011 Posts: 79 Location: ENGLAND

Morning, AgentScott. My husband, bless him, is the 'techno-geek'. Anything about planes, rockets... (the 'after burners' were his idea). A big kid who's never quite grown up! Mind you, aren't most men like that? You should have seen how he took the news that NASA were 'retiring' their shuttles Wink

Re the Great Pyramid, I don't think that Khufu was ever buried in it. Because the odd thing is, when Sultan Al-Maymun broke in [820 AD], looking for the 'ancient knowledge' he believed was in there, he found the Grand Gallery blocked. And the 'King's Chamber' empty. Not to mention the so-called 'sarcophagus' lid being missing - who would steal that Question

To appease his men he filled the room full of treasure. Wasn't it the Arabs that gave the 'King's' and 'Queen's' Chambers their names because of their design?

I've always (since childhood) been fascinated by the Egyptians. And avidly read and watch as much as I can about them. They were so unlike other cultures of that region. I always get the Near East ones muddled, as a lot of the elements in them seem very similar. Egypt, by contrast, really stands out in its writing, art and architecture, religion.... .

Agentscott · Joined: 08 Feb 2011 Posts: 1042 Location: Essex

I think they extended a couple of the shuttles flight scheduals but those old bits of junk are for the bin anyway, they need to move out of the darkages and into the Lazzar ages, he's a scientist that worked on the downed disc at groom lake.
No disrespect to anyone who likes them though and I must admit I do love the rocket motors, they sound and look better then ET tech but perform like an old cardboard box on wheels compared with a Bugati Veron.

Incans seem quite interesting to me as they were very mysterious with the lines ect and the model aircraft way before the right brothers first flight and also they had knolage of electricity and even space suits.

D B Sweeney · Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:03 am Post subject:

The Nazca lines and the model aircraft are cultural and religious artifacts with no connection to aliens or advanced technology. Many people also believe the ancient Egyptians had access to 'lost technologies' that allowed them to engage in their huge architectural projects but this is also pure unsubstantiated speculation. The Egyptians were certainly a unique, complex people whose lives were entwined with the heavens and the river Nile.

DB

thecactus · Joined: 07 Mar 2011 Posts: 3196 Location: Northern Ireland

There is no doubt, eh DB? Laughing

D B Sweeney · Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:57 am Post subject:

Agentscott · Joined: 08 Feb 2011 Posts: 1042 Location: Essex

Von Dankiken is highly respected DB, he puts forward straight thinking realistic radical ideas but once again the mainstream won't accept that. He has also spent most of his life studying the subject so you'd think he might be in a position to comment with accuracy.

Mainstream just denys and is fully controlled especialy in the areas where people might find out something they don't wan't us too.

ALEX LOCKWOOD · Joined: 20 Feb 2009 Posts: 238 Location: UNITED KINGDOM

Hey, guys. Looks like I've entered at a very interesting point here Exclamation

I've also read the likes of von Daniken, Bauval, Alan Alford [Gods of the New Millennium], Colin Wilson, Velikovsky, et al... . Von Daniken has been discredited, Agentscott. I mean look what he said about the Great Pyramid and Easter Island Heads.

Alford claimed that the Great Pyramid was some kind of power plant that functioned by separating water into hydrogen and oxygen. What would the Ancient Egyptians have wanted to do that for? To power 'flying craft' for building the pyramids, I suppose? Or maybe lighting those Dendera 'bulbs' Wink

[No ancient lightbulbs have been found in Egypt, as far as I know. Let alone batteries. Or crashed aircraft, Henut and Agentscott.] And as for a gold and crystal capstone firing a transmitter beam into the heavens... . Rolling Eyes

In all the pyramids investigated, no evidence has been found of 'advanced technology'. As the Giza pyramids are surrounded by tombs, surely that's the most plausible theory about their use ?

I agree with you, DB, and Henut, that the Egyptians were a "unique, complex people", a civilization that deserves credit for what they achieved. Without looking for ET involvement. That would be an insult to thousands of years of ingenuity and exquisite craftmanship.

The Nazca lines were some kind of 'shamanic ritual paths', surely suggesting some kind of drug use? While the Egyptians seemed to have been doped up on that Blue Lotus. Which explains a lot about their beliefs and strange gods. And didn't they find cocaine is some mummies? The Oracle at Delphi was wacked out on sulphur, if I recall correctly.