| View previous topic | View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Jonathan1990
Joined: 02 Jul 2011
Posts: 31
Location: Scarborough, North Yorkshire
|
 Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:19 am Post subject: A Video Of Haunted At Halloween On A Local Radio Station |
 |
|
Last year when it was halloween I was vey intrested about listening to this programme on a local radio station called Minster FM in York. They went to look for ghosts in the tower in the city centre. I found the advert of it a few days before it broadcasted so intresting that I actully recorded this show onto a cassette tape when it was broadcasted on the radio on 31st October 2010 10pm-12midnight. After listening to the show a few days later in November I went to visit the tower to see if I could see anything. It was daytime though and there was nothing there. I have now found some videos of it on youtube. Here they are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JitIwwC5qCU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84F5vB3-61M&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajv7OhGP5Gw&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
How did you find those videos? |
|
|
... |
|
 Back to top |
bitterbuck1
Moderator
Joined: 18 Nov 2006
Posts: 3963
Location: Arizona, USA
|
| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:30 am Post subject: |
|
|
Jon, I'll give these videos a look see later.
Thanks for posting them.  |
|
|
... |
|
| Back to top |
D B Sweeney
Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Posts: 2842
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
|
| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:34 am Post subject: |
|
|
Hi Jonathan, Thanks for the links. Here's my opinion for what it's worth. My criticism is not aimed at anyone other than the people featured in these links.
Link 1. Claire Rodgers describes what it was like to be a Knight in a suit of armour inside the tower. We have to take it as read that Claire can understand the medieval English dialect.
Firstly it's highly unlikely a Knight or defender of the tower would be wearing a suit of armour indoors. Armour was reserved for the battlefield, it was heavy and restricted movement - a bit of a hinderance for moving around the confined stairwells and rooms of the location shown. Claires experience was subjective - we have to take it on faith that she was in contact with a spirit. If faith is enough for you to believe this then fine  A sceptic, like myself would say that she's done a little research (but obviously not enough) and is basically making it up as she goes along.
Link 2. Paul is sceptical but believes in ghosts  Jay doesn't know what a cynic is but he's still looking for ghosts  Ian seems OK Clair can see ghosts - she's sold on the idea and has convinced herself that she is psychic  Laura has also gone right down the rabbit hole and is convinced that this place is haunted by ghosts - no open minded sceptical approach here. And the last three......
This is your typical 'post Most Haunted' crowd of no idea ghost hunters ( I won't call them investigators as this would be an insult to our members like Iain who are genuinely looking at ghosts from a scientific point of view). They'll typically go to an allegedly haunted location with a pre-existing belief that it's genuinely haunted by spirits and bumble around for three or four hours convinced that every noise, cold spot or shadow is 'evidence' of ghosts.
Link 3: Yvette wannabe interviews Claire where we find that she was born with the gift.
Because she heard voices when she was 3 . Can anyone reading this remember anything from when they were 3?. Then when she was 13 she was indoctrinated into the Spiritualist Church where her head was filled with more subjective, unprovable, fraudulent clap trap.
"The more open you are, the more you'll receive" says Claire. Translates as "The more gullible you are, the more you'll be deceived". Looking at her website the presenter sees that Claire is available for Parties etc - I wonder if she charges a fee for these parties 
DB |
|
|
... |
|
| Back to top |
thecactus
Joined: 07 Mar 2011
Posts: 3198
Location: Northern Ireland
|
| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:52 am Post subject: |
|
|
| A bit harsh there DB but I agree with about half of what you said :) |
|
|
... |
|
| Back to top |
Jonathan1990
Joined: 02 Jul 2011
Posts: 31
Location: Scarborough, North Yorkshire
|
| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:00 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| D B Sweeney wrote: | Hi Jonathan, Thanks for the links. Here's my opinion for what it's worth. My criticism is not aimed at anyone other than the people featured in these links.
Link 1. Claire Rodgers describes what it was like to be a Knight in a suit of armour inside the tower. We have to take it as read that Claire can understand the medieval English dialect.
Firstly it's highly unlikely a Knight or defender of the tower would be wearing a suit of armour indoors. Armour was reserved for the battlefield, it was heavy and restricted movement - a bit of a hinderance for moving around the confined stairwells and rooms of the location shown. Claires experience was subjective - we have to take it on faith that she was in contact with a spirit. If faith is enough for you to believe this then fine A sceptic, like myself would say that she's done a little research (but obviously not enough) and is basically making it up as she goes along.
Link 2. Paul is sceptical but believes in ghosts Jay doesn't know what a cynic is but he's still looking for ghosts Ian seems OK Clair can see ghosts - she's sold on the idea and has convinced herself that she is psychic Laura has also gone right down the rabbit hole and is convinced that this place is haunted by ghosts - no open minded sceptical approach here. And the last three......
This is your typical 'post Most Haunted' crowd of no idea ghost hunters ( I won't call them investigators as this would be an insult to our members like Iain who are genuinely looking at ghosts from a scientific point of view). They'll typically go to an allegedly haunted location with a pre-existing belief that it's genuinely haunted by spirits and bumble around for three or four hours convinced that every noise, cold spot or shadow is 'evidence' of ghosts.
Link 3: Yvette wannabe interviews Claire where we find that she was born with the gift.
Because she heard voices when she was 3 . Can anyone reading this remember anything from when they were 3?. Then when she was 13 she was indoctrinated into the Spiritualist Church where her head was filled with more subjective, unprovable, fraudulent clap trap.
"The more open you are, the more you'll receive" says Claire. Translates as "The more gullible you are, the more you'll be deceived". Looking at her website the presenter sees that Claire is available for Parties etc - I wonder if she charges a fee for these parties
DB |
Does that mean that they are not really ghosts in the building? |
|
|
... |
|
| Back to top |
D B Sweeney
Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Posts: 2842
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
|
| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:54 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Jonathan1990 wrote: |
Does that mean that they are not really ghosts in the building? |
Not necessarily IMO. It's highly unlikely but from the brief info gathered from the links about their M.O. and their 'beliefs' I'd be very surprised if they found a quantum of actual evidence for that structure harbouring spirits.
Of course, the medium WILL make contact and pick up on past events and occupants - that's what mediums do and it's easy - just look at Derek Acorah and Sam Google on MH. If you don't have to provide any evidence for your abilities and no one is going to question you then it's easy to go along on an 'investimagation' and spout a mixture of internet gleaned facts and subjective feelings of sadness/happiness (insert emotion as appropriate).
The others in the group will also validate their experiences as being 'ghostly' or paranormal because they're already hyped up and have prior knowledge of the location (in most cases).
I've seen this so many times when I've been on the various Ghost Tours in Edinburgh. People expect to feel, see, smell or hear ghosts and most of the time they do to varying degrees. They also suffer from emotional expectancy contagion where a group dynamic is sparked off by someones subjective experience of what they believe is 'one of them ghosts'
DB |
|
|
... |
|
| Back to top |
thecactus
Joined: 07 Mar 2011
Posts: 3198
Location: Northern Ireland
|
| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:27 am Post subject: |
|
|
Jonathan1990,
| Quote: |
Does that mean that they are not really ghosts in the building?
|
In DBs opinion - but he did make a few good points - it would have helped if they brought one person of a more sceptical nature along. |
|
|
... |
|
| Back to top |
Rose92
Joined: 06 Jul 2011
Posts: 49
|
| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:19 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I agree with DB's first comment, especially on link 2, they aren't trying to debunk any claims e.g. putting noises down to an internal draft etc. you can only say something is truly down to ghosts when you have elminated all other factors, unfortunately they don't do this in the clips.
I've been to Cliffords tower many times it has an eerie feel to it but thats about it......if you want to go to some truly spooky places in York your best going slightly off the beaten track |
|
|
... |
|
| Back to top |
D B Sweeney
Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Posts: 2842
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
|
| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:56 pm Post subject: |
|
|
you can only say something is truly down to ghosts when you have elminated all other factors
Very, very true
DB |
|
|
... |
|
| Back to top |
Rose92
Joined: 06 Jul 2011
Posts: 49
|
| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:57 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Glad you agree |
|
|
... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Worldofghosts 24 hour chat room
